Well today we started step 2 of our project. First step was getting our donor engine cleaned up...(see DeathBlow thread).
Today we took off the badges and scuffed up the plastics.
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The tank got the sanding wheel.
After that they all got 2 coats of primer. After primer there were some dimples and rough spots that revealed themselves so out came the bondo.
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Didn't have time to stick around for the bondo to dry so tomorrow should get the bondo/primer steps knocked out.
If anyones curious on the first picture, thats the safest way to remove badges. It doesnt damage the badge or the plastic. Just take a piece of steel wire (or copper, but the copper will break over and over) and hook it under the badge. Either wrap it around the whole badge and twist it like a twisty tie or saw/pull the wire down through the glue holding the badge on. Works like a charm :)
I've had good luck with monofilament fishing line. Less possibility of damaging the underlying plastic.
Looking good so far. ;D
H2O
Oh yeah, for sure, fishing line first. Almost forgot about the stuff, thanks h2o :o
Thurs 1-10
So back at it again today for another few hours.
First thing we noticed was the Bondo wasn't setting up. I guess I didn't mix the activator in the tube enough(or at all) so we got a semi-dry putty instead. So, I scraped off the not so dry stuff so that it could be done right this time.
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The cap that had no key had to go so a few whacks with a craftsman screwdriver and hammer smashed it to little bits pretty quickly.
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Inane got started with grinding the paint off our spare tank so that we could deal with that small dent while I sprayed a 1st coat on the plastics.
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Once the metal was exposed we broke out the stud welder to see about pulling that dent.
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We ended up making something that resembled a pocupine. About half the dent came out but we will have to figure something else to get the rest.
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I don't think I would ride a bike with that kind of gas tank......looks dangerous :)
after the dent is pulled we're gonna sharpen the studs
Ah yes today was a fun 1/2 day. We did a bit of sanding on the bodywork and put a second bondo coat on the needed places.
While that bodywork got taken care of I started taking off the radiator, airbox, and cables going to the engine.
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Actually the toughest part about taking out the engine turned out to be getting the radiator hoses off without shredding them. The exhaust was a bit troublesome but some rocking and it let go of the bike.
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After the exhaust and coolant lines are removed...there are only another 6 bolts that hold that thing in. The drive line simply slides off the splines and poses no issues for removal.
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That was it for the day...Had to get to work
Tomorrow we will start putting the donor engine back in....
Sat-1/12
So today was the day to get the new donor engine into the Vision frame. I was surprised by how fast getting it into the bike actually went. Getting the exhaust all hooked up was a different story of course. Hard to get to those rear clamps on once the engine is in the bike.
Then the Starter Clutch/rotor needed to be swapped from the old engine. First we tried to use an impact air wrench to loosen the shaft bolt...to no avail. Not enough power. So then we got out the breaker bar. Finally, it yielded. Then came out the harmonic balance puller to yank on it. Getting the bolts in those holes is fairly annoying since the magnet of the rotor pulls them to the outer ring rather than let you get them in the holes. A bit more use of the impact driver and 2 whacks of a BFH and it let go with a gentle slide to the end of the shaft. Not so bad at all.
Then a swap of the stator & sidecover and we on to the carbs. I brought my mostly complete set of spare carbs and added the needed parts from the old existing set.
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A battery swap from another Vision and we were ready to see if this thing would turn over. Not too bad for a day's work
So in goes the worn key ...ah....neutral switch not hooked up...OK...now let's go.
Key, turn, CLUNK.
hmmm
What was that?
Put it in gear and turn the wheel to identify the clunk. No luck.
Maybe we did something wrong when we put the rotor back in? Off with the cover. Off with the rotor.
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OK, turn the back wheel again. CLUNK. damn...and we were so close.
So we checked for binding or loose metal (bolts or nuts) in the left case. Nada. Well what kind of clunk do you ask? Well it sounded like a large rotating mass colliding with another solid stationary mass.
Ok...this 'new' engine is screwed. Now what? The front cylinder of the original motor was supposed to be dead. Let's pull that and check it out.
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It appeared to fine after getting it off. Valves looks like the went down into the seats. Hmmm, that intake sure is awful black. Let's pull the valves. A C-clamp and some backyard engineering go the valve springs compressed. First one came out pretty easy. Second one needed to be hit with a drift to get it out.
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That's odd. So guess it WAS screwed afterall. I should have check the shim width to verify my theory of a burnt valve due to out of clearance shim. Oh well will check that later.
So here's where we are. We have an engine that supposedly ran before it was sold for parts. Something obstructing a full rotation of about 15 degrees of the rotation. We have verified that the front valves of original motor were cooked.
If we go under the assumption that the motor actually came from a running bike. The only thing we can now think that happened is that something fell into the intake and is now causing the pistons to strike a jammed open valve. Guess that's possible...that engine did sit around for a long time before we got it.
As far I'm concerned our donor motor is Fubar'd and we need to rob the front head (if viable) and transplant to the original motor, remove not so working donor motor, replace with original motor.
Now THIS is what I call some Vision fun.
wow yall got far more patience than i when it comes to working on things any more.. im getting used to wiring houses and stuff so motors and mechanical things annoy me at times.. lol congrats on the work u did and good luck on the work still needed to be done!! ;D
The fubar'd engine actually did fire though. I heard it fart with the wasted spark :D
Have you checked the counter-balancer timing? If its off a few teeth, it will collide with the crank.
we havent opened the right side case. We were going on the 'word' of the seller that it was a running engine prior to being sold.
left side case.... there are some marks to line up... pg 77
If it came from a running engine then those marks should be on. Unless it is something that we did by putting the rotor on then I'm done with that motor for now. I have ordered a new head gasket so that we can use the original motor with a transplanted head. I think at this point we have to start cutting our losses. Later on we will crack open the Donor motor that has given us our current problem.
I seem to recognise those dirty fingers with the grime under the nails !!! I have a set just like them!! :D
yeh those nails don't seem to want to come clean. No rest for the wicked I suppose.
Carb cleaner and a nylon brush will clean them right up. (experience, I guess)
I'm trying to decrease my intake of xylene and xylene based products Tanno. I just cut off a good deal of the grime with the nail trimmer and scrubbed off most of the remaining crap. I'm no hand model so I guess I'll manage with what is left on.
Arrrr, those be mine fingers maytee 8)
I worked in a shop in San Rafel , that had a hot tank , which was only hot one day a week . The rest of the time I dunked my hands in it, for a couple of minuets, on the way to lunch. My hands were pink and squeaky clean. This was pre OSHA !!
So got a head gasket ordered in preparation for a head/valve swap. Should be here in a few days. Looks like tomorrow we'll be dropping the engine and stripping off the extraneous stuff we need for the other motor.
Got 4 packages in the mail today
Seat(looks great smokinjoe)
3 left-side gaskets
tire changing station
motorcycle wheel adapter for the station
Took Mond and Tues off but back at it again today.
Still waiting for the head gasket but while we are waiting we dropped our FUBAR'd motor out of the bike and robbed the front head off for the swap early next week.
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Then we did a bit more bondo sanding and primed the tank fully. A few blemishes here and there can be seen but I think it will turn out good after we do some touch-up bondo.
Since dropping the engine only took about 30 mins and the paint work only took about 15 mins.
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We started on my #2 Vision (Blackie). She was in need of a totally new starter clutch since it got shredded.
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A stator was also needed. So we got busy doing the starter clutch swap. After letting the impact driver work the puller a couple good BFH whacks had it off. A lil finessing the rollers and springs back together and the new one was ready to get torqued down.
The replacement stator I bought used came WITH the cover so now we just have to solder the lines in and good to go.
I also had a bit of an issue with some rust around the battery box. The battery overflow tube decided to come off which rusted out that whole area. An air drill and a wire brush made short work of that and I got it cleaned and primed.
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Amazingly, I think that Blackie may get fired up tomorrow after having sat for 3 years now. Of course if the usual problem decides to come up...then it will have to wait til next week. BUt might get to hear those MACS that I miss.
The engine we got to replace the borked head engine that was in parts bike is jacked big time. Nothing stuck in the valves, nothing dropped into the cylinders, something in the front lower half of the engine is smacking against something else. Sounds like a crank or something similar in size. With the stethescope it sounds like most the noise is coming from the front sprocket (whatever that one is attached to, the one with springs in it)
that's the counterbalance weight. check the alignment marks. if they are good, then pull the gears & see if one of the keys are sheared.
maybe we'll have to do that check tomorrow. At this point both engines are now off with the front heads removed. It does appear that someone has been in there so it is entirely possible something has been put back together wrong.
We are probably better off moving forward with the head fix of the original motor. I may use the 'counterbalance' motor as something to build up for track use....cams, pistons, lighter flywheel.
Kwells, so what did you use to clean up the engine-I thought deathblow was, well a joke! Great reading though as everything you describe is exactly what I am about to under take; including the thunk! I am checking the counter balance tonight.
actually the engine was cleaned with some fine steel wool engine degreaser and some brake cleaner for the tough spots.
Blackie:
The contacts in the kill switch were dirty and we spent some time chasing that down. We got it to turn over though so we are good in that dept. Now we have some spark and just have to fix up some electrical things and she should fire up on Monday. Stay tuned.
So Monday proved to be more frustrating than I anticipated. After getting kill switch ground cleaned we thought we'd chase down an electrical short that kept blowing the Signal fuse. No dice.
Tues
We started out today at Radio Shack for some fuse related materials and headed back to the garage. Basically we had a wire suspect shorting so we split the wiring harness along its length and started looking. All looked good so we sorta stepped back and looked around the bike. The turn signal relay was prob the only thing we didn't mess with. After disconnecting it...no more blown fuses. Hmm ok...so I swapped in a spare and bam....all is well. So we taped the harness back up
Gas, battery, Key
after about 2 cranks BLAM she roared alive and she was loud. After hooking some other things up and putting some oil in the crankcase we hit the key again....BLAM right alive again within 1/2 a cycle. All without an airbox or synching
I have a phone vid I will have to get uploaded...it's a thing of beauty.
Tomorrow Blackie gets some minor frame paint, plastics, and her tank.
Wed/Thurs
Blackie
I split open Blackie's tank and discovered a few things...First off the cap was rotted away from the inside and needed to be hammered into pieces to get out. Secondly, it's an 83 tank/petcock. It does/did have a Kreem liner in it which will have to be removed so that I can properly line it with POR15.
I stupidly put some of the retrieved gas from the bike into my car to dispose of it. It killed the Malibu and left me stranded on a rather chilly 3am ride home from work. A 100.00 tow and about 6 hrs of time messing with getting the tank dropped and cleaned out fixed that up though.
Lesson Learned.
Friday
Gray Bike
We got our new head gasket earlier in the week and decided today was the day to put the good head on the original motor. The manual outlined the process thoroughly and the marks were easily lined up. A few torqued head nuts and cam bearing caps and it was ready to go back in the bike. Being that it was our 3rd time swapping motors, we got it installed in 15-20 mins. We also learned that getting the rear exhaust flanges installed onto the head BEFORE the engine install makes life a hell of a lot easier. So we left with the engine in and the rear exhaust hooked up. Maybe be end of weekend we can hear it run.
Oh yeh, Ron McCoy was right...after consulting the manual we believe the countershaft sprocket is off causing the countershaft to run into the crankshaft. We have not pulled off the sprocket to see if it has splines or simply held by a nut. In due time.
Malibus don't like bad gas . . . ::)
I'll be doing the 83 carbs starting this weekend. Also taking various parts to the painter next week for an estimate. Then it will be time to get Tractor back into running & riding shape. Both bikes need tyres. :P Looks like i finally have a line on an 83 right rider peg. (Thanks kiwibum & Night Vision! You guys are great.)
Next major project is locating a valve adjustment tool. If someone would allow me to borrow one for a while, I may be able to get a few made. You would get it back, but it may be a month or two. I have a small lathe / mill, great for model making. It should work great for making such a tool. Need to find some drive belts for it before I can get that going, though. Anyone here familiar with EMCO Unimats? I located a belt seller on eBay, so that shouldn't be a problem.
H2O
I've yet to do the valve check. Do we have adjustable valves? Thought it was a shim over bucket.
They are shim over bucket, but to get the shim out, it helps to have the bucket drepressing tool.
H2O
ok...thought u meant we could just turn a screw somewhere to get back spec
VTEC shite
suppose you could check your clearance without having the tool as well. You may find you wont need it at all!
Clearance screws are freaking awesome, thats how volkswagen does it. Loosen the lock nut, put in the feeler, adjust it in till it drags, tighten the lock nut and you're done :O
Screw adjusters are ok, But not often used on double overhead cam 4 valve engines . If you adjust the valves while the engine is out of the frame you may be able to do it with out the tool . If its in the frame you WILL need it .
H20 Lucky gave us instructions on making a tool out of a (I think) 27 mm wrench. Nothing needed but a grinder , I believe. It will be in the archives , or maybe he can repost it.
Quote from: h2olawyer on January 25, 2008, 11:14:03 PM
Next major project is locating a valve adjustment tool. If someone would allow me to borrow one for a while, I may be able to get a few made. You would get it back, but it may be a month or two. I have a small lathe / mill, great for model making. It should work great for making such a tool. Need to find some drive belts for it before I can get that going, though. Anyone here familiar with EMCO Unimats? I located a belt seller on eBay, so that shouldn't be a problem.
H2O
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching&viewitem=&item=250207900243&_trksid=p3907.m32
Quote from: Rick G on January 26, 2008, 01:01:00 AM
H20 Lucky gave us instructions on making a tool out of a (I think) 27 mm wrench. Nothing needed but a grinder , I believe. It will be in the archives , or maybe he can repost it.
http://www.xz550.com/art_files/ValveShimTool.jpeg
H2O: I have a shim tool you can borrow.
PM me
Reading this post is great. The way we all support each other is a rare and wonderful fellowship.
I have the "Lucky" plans for making the tool. Just wanted an original because my milling machine can do duplications, like a key cutter.
As for the eBay tool, I'm not willing to pay that much for the it - you need to figure in the $15 flat rate shipping for something that would cost $2 to mail. ::) I'd go for $30 or so, but no higher.
67GTO -- As soon as I have the EMCO ready to fly, I'll let you know when I can get the tool made. THANKS!
H2O
I smell like dead cats!
Old school carb dip is truly one of the most evil things i've smelled.
Smell is in EVERYTHING, clothes, skin, nose ICK!
That's why they call it "Skunk in a Can" :)
Sat
Gray Bike
Engine in...
Now needed to hook up all the electrics, install the radiator, and address the carbs.
So I rebuilt the carbs while Inane got the bike hooked up. Within a couple hours we were ready to give it a whirl.
On the 2nd try she revved up.
There may be a couple potential issues though. We noticed a slight tapping coming from within the case and will check the status of the starter clutch. Also the fan did not cycle on but we didnt let it run for all that long so I think that may be an easy problem. The master cylinder was pretty rough inside but still liquid so we got that cleaned out and bled the system.
Monday we will need to put some clamps on the carb boots and do a better job of synching. As it is now, it will start up with about 1 secs of cranking so I think they are close.
Next on the list of things to do:
Finish paint work
Mount new tires
Sund
Was an crazy nice day today so took the Red V out today. After I got back to the garage I decided to tackle some of the paint stuff that had been lingering while we were getting the motors up and running.
Blackie
I got the first 2 coats of black on the brake caliper, rear swing arm, and side stand.
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After the first 2 coats were doing some drying I cleaned up, taped off, and shot a couple coats of black satin on the frame.
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More to come....
blue shock spring? or tape?
it's blue...PO did that so Im not sure what the new spring rate is. It is an 82 setup tho.
Mond
Back at it..
Today the Gray bike got some new oil and we fixed the discovered valve cover leak. It will need a set new shoes(404's) on and paint at this point.
Blackie is looking pretty good with new satin black on the frame. Still working out what I'll do for her but it may be a work in progress cosmetically. For now I need to mount her newly blacked swing arm, caliper, and sidestand. Haven't decided what to do with the aluminum but I may do a combination of paint/polished aluminum.
Pretty soon we'll have to get our #4 Vision in the garage for its going over.....GREENY
My notorious green bike :D
Bird fodder!
Gray bike is pretty much done, just needs paint (work in progress)
So this week we focused more on the Gray Bike's paint and the cosmetics of Blackie
Except for the carbs that I redipped on Blackie since the accelerator nozzles were clogged. The old style death dip required some protective equipment.
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The oxidation is slow but surely coming off and revealing some shiny aluminum. I also took the opp to make a few changes too
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Any progress on the project boys?
Paints almost done for the gray bike, blackie has a nicely painted swingarm and final drive as well as some cleaned and polished pieces. Wednesday should be the day gray bike is done and we can move on to other things :)
I ran into some car issues recently and that has kept me out of the garage until my parts came in. Will be putting in my fuel pump tomorrow hopefully and back at it. I will bring my digi camera to take some better pics than I've been posting from my phone.
Right now we have 6 bikes being operated on and another 2 Dirt bikes after that. Some just need maintenance and some are being torn down and rebuilt so some project management has to be employed to get them all up and running by the break of spring.
DONE & NEEDS TO BE DONE IN PROGRESS
My Red Vision(maintenance, fork seals)
Blackie(swingarm & frame paint, stator, starter clutch, tires, bleed brakes, carb cleaning, battery, deep cleaning & polishing)
Triumph Sprint (new chain, chain-guide, paint scratch fairing, install new hardbags, check valves, maintenance)
Gray Vision(engine swap, head swap, engine swap, carb cleaning, starter clutch, paint tank & plastics, deep clean, tires, battery)
Greeny Vision (starter clutch, tires, paint tank & plastics)
Inane's personal ride: 83 V (polish paint, seat, battery, deep cleaning, carb cleaning)
So, we still have a bit of work to do but I think it will all be done by April 1
Remember don't be a FOOL on that DAY. ;D ;D :D :D ::) ::)
Will do
Could see some of the side projects easily lingering into the end of April but none that keep me off the road
Some warmer days have started poking through the blanket of Denver Winter so we get to open the garage door now some.
We have a new project in addition to the couple others that are going. A 79 GL1000 w/ Vetter fairing/bag package. It will be a pretty bike once clean up. Overall right now it is in fair condition and has 73k miles and some rough paint. It's not a spring chicken for sure but should be able to get another 30k before some more major problems. It would be nice to be able to get it to a nicer condition but we may have to settle for 'clean'.
The other bikes havent had too much progress other than painting some small bits here and there.
Gray bike now has new tires mounted and needs final coat of paint.
My Blackie is getting its 83 pegs painted up to match the swingarm and will be installed next weekend. Once the front brake is bled it will be ready to accept my new tank and get some miles.
All in all we are working on about 3-4 bikes in any given week so things arent getting done too quickly but for the next week will be focusing on chasing ignition issues on the GL1000. Tomorrow I will bring the camera for some visuals.
Coils in...
VROOOOM
she runs and runs well. Now to do some fixes on temp sensor and a coolant leak. Valve clearance and it's a runner.
We got the TT running somewhat normally today, REALLY needs a muffler. About 150 dB of need to be exact!
I also got a pair of weber 34s in my beetle today :D
pics taken today...will have more with the panels on sat
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I'm glad you two are working on that wing , I >:( HATE the things . Too much like a car ! The newer ones are even worse.
Hate's a strong word rick, im sure you'd like one after 1200 miles ;) :D ;D
I've ridden far more than that on other peoples Wings , But then I hate all over weight, ponderous motorcycles . If over 500 lbs its not for me . It comes from riding 320 lb race bikes and 200 lb dirt bikes.
that thing is a beast for sure. It makes my 500lb+ sprint feel like a dirt bike
Yeah but, they're SOOOOOOoooooo smooth and comfy. You can easily outpace a regular car and not even feel the effects. Thats the one thing that makes me shy away from extended motorcycle trips, its not like a car where you just drive, you're constantly fighting the wind.
Their smooth, until the first time you accidental knock the thing off of the centre stand and catch it . I didn't drop it to the ground ,but I dam near died waiting for help to arrive, to get it back up on the stand .
Their smooth, until you have to remove the rear wheel for a tyre change (especially the newer ones, with a trailer hitch)) or have to install a new LCD display ( part is around 600.00 dollars). for either job, its worse than working on a car. I've done both. You have to take everything off to get at anything.
Yeah but...
Its a gooooooldwiiiiiiing
So smooth... water cooled, so big and comfy. Fast, efficient.
Come to the dark side rick, we have goldwings...
:) I gotta say, I agree with Rick...I got rid of my '79 for some of the same reason's. Sooooo heavy...If I didn't get her on the centre stand first try...side stand!!! They are a P.I.T.A. to work on and expensive for part's...apart from the fact I'm short in the leg's and safety was an issue for me!!!
8).......TIGER....... 8)
Quote from: inanecathode on March 14, 2008, 12:04:10 PM
Yeah but, they're SOOOOOOoooooo smooth and comfy. You can easily outpace a regular car and not even feel the effects. Thats the one thing that makes me shy away from extended motorcycle trips, its not like a car where you just drive, you're constantly fighting the wind.
the last "extended ride" I took was 6 or 8 hours against a headwind to Tiger's.... not so bad.... even on a naked V.
you might want to try doing chinups if the wind beats you up in the fight. pullups would be good too, but the chinups, with your palms away, would emulate the grip on the bars better.
dont need a big ass GL1000 fairing to keep the wind from beating you up...even the small shark V fairing breaks it up just fine.
In my thirties I worked for Temple City Honda, among my duties was assembling new bikes , among them were wings . They came in the crate, in a short semi trailer , which had a lift gate . I had to move them off the truck with a large furniture dolly, on end. ( no fork lift, I was the fork lift).When I got them to the ground, I had to lower the crate to the horizontal position alone. No wonder I have arthritis and shoulder problems. The truck driver, a black gentleman and also a teamster, watched my work and then went up front to get his paperwork signed. Later the parts man , related that he had said " That bald headed guy sure is strong" I guess so , those things weighed around 800. lbs in the crate.
I simply wont believe that the wind doesnt fatigue anyone but me. 80mph wind directly into your face and chest for 8 hours will make anyone tired.
I tend not to run 80 on an open bike, the fairing makes it more comforable even possable. Not to mention that its not connected to a clumsy , over weight overly complicated bike.
Just gotta add my 2 cents, faired or unfaired is probably just an age thing. My last unfaired street bike was my '76 RD400 to which I added a bikini fairing. I had taken a couple of short, under 200 mi. trips on it unfaired and it was enough. I have 3 rides on my '83 Vision of over 800 miles and the fairing wins. My '92 TDM850 has a tiny fairing and it is almost enough but the Vision is better. As for the 'wing, may as well be in a car. As I said, my 2 cents.
Quote from: Walt_M. on March 15, 2008, 05:15:42 AM
... faired or unfaired is probably just an age thing
:) I agree. When I got my "V" in '05, it was the first bike I had owned in over twenty year's!!! As a youngster, everything I rode was naked ;) However, I didn't enjoy the "bobble head doll" effect at speeds over 80, (50 m.p.h.) sitting in the Visions upright riding stance...I therefore went on a quest to find a full fairing, which I found and paid more money for, than a lot of guys pay for their Vision's :o ;D :D :D :D It makes for a more comfortable ride in all types of weather.
8).......TIGER....... 8)
An older GL, is one of the bikes, I'd love to own. They have a low center of gravity, makeing them quite flickable, as well, power from idel to redline. Easy to go fast on. Carry a bunch of supplies, at the same time. My dad used to let me ride it quite a bit, I rode it camping for Visionmiester's bachelor party. Good thing it had air shocks, to carry the beer!
Quote from: Walt_M. on March 15, 2008, 05:15:42 AM
Just gotta add my 2 cents, faired or unfaired is probably just an age thing. My last unfaired street bike was my '76 RD400 to which I added a bikini fairing. I had taken a couple of short, under 200 mi. trips on it unfaired and it was enough. I have 3 rides on my '83 Vision of over 800 miles and the fairing wins. My '92 TDM850 has a tiny fairing and it is almost enough but the Vision is better. As for the 'wing, may as well be in a car. As I said, my 2 cents.
Good point. As you get older, the bars seem to get taller and the riding position gets more relaxed. Riding my monster with no fairing and clipsons is real easy since i'm much lower than I am on the xz with no fairing. Even with the 83 bars (which are perfect) I have a little fairing on it just to move the wind a little off my chest.
TIGER, I don't know what you paid , but we had a Visionary 5 or 6 years ago that paid 600. for a complete '83 fairing , his wife almost s**t her pants . he had to do some fast talking . I paid 120.00 for mine plus shipping from Vancouver BC . worth every penny!
So today basically just ended about an hour ago for me so it was a long day but fun none the less.
GL1000
Good Done:
-she runs
-got coolant leak stopped
-tightened up leaky hoses
-sealed leaky valve cover
-hooked up fan(not tested)
-set carb mixtures and idle
Bad Done:
-Valve cover bolt broke off
-PO may have switched a couple rocker arms so needs addressing
-discovered other valve cover slight leak
will see about getting a couple parts from a local craigslister for it in the next couple days
BLACKIELots done today on this one
-installed and bled front brake NOTE-anyone not sure how to do this---GET A VACUUM BLEEDER---Done in 10 mins with completely dry system
-hooked up rear brake bar
-installed 83 pegs and brake lever
-more engine polishing
-hooked up synced carbs
Blackie still has no tank but my POR15 should be here on monday. After my Euro tank is POR'd it will go on along with the matching plastics and will be ready for road testing. Look out car alarms she's close....
UPS brought me 2 boxes from POR15. WooHoo!
Today we went back to the GoldWing. Set the valves, worked on the valve cover leaks, tested the fan thermostat, and changed the rear end fluid. It checked out so Inane took it out around the block for a test run. Seemed to run pretty good so now we are down to hooking up the neutral and oil sensors and put the fairing back on.
Home stretch.
I rode it today too :D
No plates, no headlight, wires hanging out all over, no timing cover. Eat your heart out ducati monster :P
Sooooooo smooth, good and equal power from idle to redline, absolutely smooth no vibrations at all, totally quiet, sound as a rock at speed. Tellin you guys, you want one you know it :P
Probably not , I was given one and traded it off within two weeks
So, with the Goldwing done and up for sale we've been focusing on our own personal rides for the last few days.
Tonight I left work early and went to the garage to do some painting. After getting the rear tires mounted onto blackie I masked off the Sport fairing I recently scored and hit it with some paint. Got 2 coats of primer, a coat of gray enamel, and a coat of 'sparkle' within about 30 mins. It looks pretty close to the star silver but still lighte...I think it will be a good enough match for me.
Tomorrow I'll check fitment and mount the fairing.
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The tank POR liner should be cured by tomorrow and ready for some fuel after I get my petcock mounted and new cap put on. Tomorrow should be Blackie's first ride in 4 yrs. I think she's up to it.
i like it! can't wait to see the fairing done! too cold to POR my tank just yet...
Quote from: inanecathode on March 15, 2008, 01:17:00 AM
I simply wont believe that the wind doesnt fatigue anyone but me. 80mph wind directly into your face and chest for 8 hours will make anyone tired.
Sitting in a car will make you tired after 8 hours. Everyone has their limit of what they are used too and conditioned too do. If the max you do is 2 hours in a sitting, don't expect to do 8 hours on a bike an enjoy it.
I also finished Blackula the other day:
Got a patch welded to the exhaust to plug the rust exploded hole in the right megaphone
RTV'd the rear Y pipe at the head (thanks tiger!)
Changed the rear end fluid
Replaced two burnt out bulbs in the gauge cluster
Fixed the stuck tach
Made lower fairing brackets (sounds easy but the right one is VERY hard to reproduce)
Alls that's left is to change the engine oil and it'll be ready for a trip on wednesday :D (251 miles 6 hours = Twisteeeeeeehs)
Kwells all your new paint really makes the tail piece stand out. It really needs some help.
I have a NOS tail that I will put on later. Still have to work out the bugs.
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so...(euro)Blackie engine is no more. It apparently was tired and seized. More details to come.
Let us know when services are , I'd like to send flowers. :( :'(
Quote from: Rick G on March 27, 2008, 01:49:58 AM
Let us know when services are , I'd like to send flowers. :( :'(
:'( or a burned out stator ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Kwells , if you tear it apart ,I'd be interested in what seized it. If you are going to attempt resuscitation , I have parts that may help.
It will be torn down to see what happened. Hopefully I can find an engine to swap in for the summer. Next winter season I will be building my 'race' engine. I just need to get an xz400 flywheel or machine down a 550's and have rings made.
Place ur bets on what it is!
I say it was a clogged oil filter but could have been a failed oil pump.
Our local automotive machine shop, tells me that they can get rings made. I am going to lug the old crank and rods up there and see it they can match the con rod inserts. Pistons are a differant story . You will probably need a good set of standard pistons and cylinders to match. Thats how I "rebuilt" mine . Its worked OK though.
well I have a couple sets of pistons and jugs that were meant to go into a vision racer
the piston tops are smooth so they will need to be machine to accommodate the valves and increased cam lift.
hopefully i can find someone to make an exhaust for it too
Talk to Chimera! about an exhaust.
yeh I was thinking that
hey CHIMERA how bout a pricing of that sucker and some sound