any one know what these bikes are worth? say and 83 with 15000 miles? in good condition with a few minor leaks
I think it comes down to things like fairings, exhaust system, tank condition. Probably $700-2000 for an 83.
They're worth whatever someone is willing to pay. ;D
Seriously, 82s not running - $500 or less, depending on cosmetics / overall condition & mileage. Running - $350 to $1200 again, overall condition.
83s are rarer and as such, the starting price should be higher if all the upgrade parts are there. Full fairing, fuel gauge & proper tank, dual disc front, better rear shock, air forks, improved carbs, 140 MPH speedo & low rise handlebars are the major things. Parts bike (83) should be around $400 or less. Running - $600 or so. Again, if all parts are in good condition, plan on about $1200 - $1500+.
Depending on the leaks and overall condition, I'd say an otherwise running 83 should go for around $800 - $1000.
Prices assume US dollars. The value of Visions seem to be on the increase. As more people find out about this forum and the fixes we've found for all the original bad press, they have fewer disincentives to buy. Keep an eye on eBay & Craigslist. Visions come up for sale often enough to get a general feel for their value in various conditions.
Personally, I don't know what it would take to pry my upgraded 82 Vision from my hands. It would definitely be much more than I've seen any other one sell for to date. It would probably never happen, but if someone offered a very low mile 93 or 94 GTS1000 or a mid 90s BMW K1000R in trade, I'd be very tempted. (My V has some serious sentimental value.) However, when I sell the Pumpkin Project (also an 82) later this year or next Spring, I hope to get around $1000 for it. It has no major issues & actually runs a little stronger than my Silver 'baby'.
The info above is primarily my own feel for overall values and others may disagree. I like to think I've kept up with the current values of these bikes. I'm probably willing to pay a little more for one as I know how much fun they are & I really love the bike in general - especially the 83s.
H2O
unless it's an 82 with all 83 parts, Shoie hard bags, custom seat, oil cooler, luggage rack with backrest, oil pressure, voltage & air temp guages, fork brace, modified t/s, w/ short stalks, moded air forks, cutom badges, extended smoked windshield, upgraded brakes, upgraded headlight & says "Riders Of Vision" on the fairing, & comes complete with friends & the best support system in the WORLD, then it's (to me) it's Priceless! :D ;)
I would probably take 5000 for mine, but not lower than that.
Brian
I think Brewski was looking for $600-$800 for his 83.
Quote from: h2olawyer on June 01, 2007, 02:07:12 AM
They're worth whatever someone is willing to pay. ;D
Seriously, 82s not running - $500 or less, depending on cosmetics / overall condition & mileage. Running - $350 to $1200 again, overall condition.
83s are rarer and as such, the starting price should be higher if all the upgrade parts are there. Full fairing, fuel gauge & proper tank, dual disc front, better rear shock, air forks, improved carbs, 140 MPH speedo & low rise handlebars are the major things. Parts bike (83) should be around $400 or less. Running - $600 or so. Again, if all parts are in good condition, plan on about $1200 - $1500+.
Depending on the leaks and overall condition, I'd say an otherwise running 83 should go for around $800 - $1000.
Prices assume US dollars. The value of Visions seem to be on the increase. As more people find out about this forum and the fixes we've found for all the original bad press, they have fewer disincentives to buy. Keep an eye on eBay & Craigslist. Visions come up for sale often enough to get a general feel for their value in various conditions.
Personally, I don't know what it would take to pry my upgraded 82 Vision from my hands. It would definitely be much more than I've seen any other one sell for to date. It would probably never happen, but if someone offered a very low mile 93 or 94 GTS1000 or a mid 90s BMW K1000R in trade, I'd be very tempted. (My V has some serious sentimental value.) However, when I sell the Pumpkin Project (also an 82) later this year or next Spring, I hope to get around $1000 for it. It has no major issues & actually runs a little stronger than my Silver 'baby'.
The info above is primarily my own feel for overall values and others may disagree. I like to think I've kept up with the current values of these bikes. I'm probably willing to pay a little more for one as I know how much fun they are & I really love the bike in general - especially the 83s.
H2O
my 83 has all of those upgrades i belive. i think my oil pressure switch is leaking, and my water pump leaks (which i am still unable to get it to stop). also my exhaust has just developed a leak in the tail pipe on one side,
The "upgrades" were all standard on the 83s. Since most Visions are 82s, and some 83s have been parted out over the years, we refer to the better 83 parts as upgrades.
Oil pressure switch leak should be easy to fix. Drain oil, remove switch, apply thread sealand & reinstall. Fill with oil.
Waterpump could be more difficult. Is the leak from the coolant tubes or out of the weep hole at the front of the waterpump? Coolant tube leaks are fairly simple to fix - new "O" rings. The leak from the weep hole requires replacing the waterpump mechanical seal - along with all other seals in the right engine case cover. There is a crankshaft seal in that cover which needs to be replaced every time that cover is removed.
Exhaust leak can be fixed - there are several products like "Muffler Weld" that can be used to repair small holes in exhaust systems. They can also be welded. If the leak is too bad, you are pretty much relegated to going with an aftermarket (MAC or Predator) system - or possibly having a system custom made.
H2O
hypothetically speaking if i wanted to sell my 1983 yamaha vision with 3326.8 miles on it its in kinda rough shape (been sitting for 23 years ish) runs fine now but if i wanted to sell it (which i am NOT) what do u think i could get for it?
I'd say @$800.00
What is the going price for a 1982 stock vision with 1500 original miles in better than new condition?
define better than new. I think I got a steal on mine with 560 miles 2 yrs ago. I got it for 1k but I think it was worth 1200-1400 on the open market.
It is worth eleventy billion dollars too me. Not a sent less.
I paid $1500 dls for mine.
I got mine free. but it's still worth eleventy billion.
My bike is like yours, same color it's really beautiful.
(http://scrunchkin.com/modules/xcgal/albums/JV/Daily/04-27-06/CRW_7787.jpg) She is a sweety. This pic i took before the emblem started peeling. This makes me mad.
What a beautiful bike. My don't have the emblems. The original owner told me that when he boufght it brand new there was a small scratch on the tank and he had the dealership take it off and repaint it. They just left the emblems off. It looks real nice. ypur bike is really beautiful.
I'd sell mine for 6k or so...
probably.
uh, possibly ;D
Brian (ultra-rare original exhaust on an original 83, better make that 8k)
I'm with Brian - basically, my Silver 82 is not for sale. I might consider offers starting around $10K. Too much sentimental value to me.
However, I have another 82 and a parts bike. The second 82 (Tractor, which needs some work again) will be for sale next Spring. Plan to ask about $1000 for it, including the parts bike. It will have a freshly lined tank, new paint, rebuilt forks, rebuilt front brakes, braided stainless line, new tires, tapered steering bearings, properly cleaned carbs and any other primary fixes / upgrades that should be part of any Vision project.
H2O
I basically cannot say what my Vision is worth. In the real world I would think that I would fetch more than the 1k I paid for it since i have done numerous upgrades that actually make it a better bike. For an 82 it is hard to imagine that one could be worth more than 1500 but I think these bike are actually going up in price as we help to get more back on the road and thus increasing its recognition. H20 and I were discussing the fact that most people have no clue about these bike and thus wouldnt pay much for them and the rest seen to have a negative connotation of them making them less apt to buy them. As they are now being shown en masses that these bikes can run and still kick ass compared to a modern day bike in a comparative category. The upgrades are a must for it to compete as a ridable bike overall but basically make this timeless bike for those of us who never intend to sell it to begin with.
Is there a general summary of the 'upgrades', or is that an item on the "Lucky Special" I still need to get? ;)
The general upgrades for an 82 is longer than that of an 83 but still similar in nature. For an 82 there are the things I am aware of
-tapered head bearings
-stainless steel brake lines
-83 or better rear shock (preload and dampening ability)
-progressive fork springs (OEMs render braking near useless)
-POR15 lining for tank
-inline fuel filter (sintered brass preferrably)
-fork brace
-brake bar OEM bolts replaced with larger diameter bolts
Quote from: kwells on July 10, 2007, 01:43:22 AM
The general upgrades for an 82 is longer than that of an 83 but still similar in nature. For an 82 there are the things I am aware of
-tapered head bearings Check (kinda, just got 'em in the mail today so need to put 'em on)
-stainless steel brake lines Check
-83 or better rear shock (preload and dampening ability) On the list, looking at Progressive if possible
-progressive fork springs (OEMs render braking near useless) On the list
-POR15 lining for tank On the list for both
-inline fuel filter (sintered brass preferrably) Check, although plastic for now
-fork brace Heard of this one, haven't seen much more on it yet aside from in passing in various threads such as the Front End Wobble one though.
-brake bar OEM bolts replaced with larger diameter bolts Check
Thanks for the list. :)
To be honest I have the 83 shock but for what they seem to have gone for lately I would seriously consider an after market. Fork Braces are available but seem to be less common than only a year or two ago. With some homework I am confident that there are plenty still out there the fit other bikes making them more readily accessible for purchase.
My biggest concern for the Vision is along the lines of braking. IMO this is a 3 pronged effect. You need to have the progressive springs to keep from bottoming under panic braking, need stainless lines to get the pressure to the caliper, and need very grabby pads to make the most of that pathetic single caliper piston that is saving your ass.
Regarding the brakes, albeit a big upgrade, if you can get ahold of a decent 83 front end and swap it out, the dual front brakes make a very big difference.
David
yes, but keep in mind that even after you invest the unknown amt on the 83 front end assuming you find it, you still have to purchase the stainless steel lines, and the 83 fork springs are only marginally better than the 82s and really should also be upgraded
My original 82 brake setup seems to be grabbing pretty well..... all things considered.....I know there is room for improvement ..... ss lines and such.....but seems like I've been reading negative things on the progressives :-\ ....like spring slapping.....and won't the nose dive help transfer weight to the front to help braking.....I know that they dive alot on braking tho.... and it would be nice to stiffen the forks....I'm thinking air setup for my 82....like has been discussed before......and this 83 rear shock I keep putting off.....I would love to try the tapered bearings ....as mine has always had the head shake at 85+.....tho I did get it going 85 for a good stretch on the Eway.....didn't want to go any faster as the wife was aboard.....I think the new fairing helps alot to smooth out the ride....that IMO is the best and most important upgrade.....well ok best.....most important gotta be the brake bar bolts.......as far as price range for a V they seem to go for less than $1500..... and thats a 83 with lowish mi. .....which is fine by me.....thats the best part....you can get a bike like this at that price......of course I paid $1200 back in 84........ have ridden off a set of tires.....so I can spend another $1200 on it (if my wife would let me)... and it would still be worth it......I've already put about $600 of that on 83 stuff.
a bottomed out fork spring does not improve braking and will create a dangerous situation if not on very level surface while doing it. I have not heard any spring slap within the forks after having put about 1k miles on it after the upgrade.
I replaced my worn ebc pads with the orginals i took off it. The originals are far superior. It actually stops well with single disk and steel line.
I have absolutely no bitches about my front brake... I have rebuilt and upgraded my entire single disc '82 front end ..... must be I don't panic when I ride....
I think mine need a smidge more bleeding as mentioned, but so long as I use the rear brake as supposed to mine stops nice & even. Sure the rear doesn't have huge stopping but it does pretty much negate any dive I feel. I've had to emergency brake once so far and wound up going into sand on the asphalt to do it. The rear hinted at sliding out but using both brakes as needed evened it out quick and easy. I'm sure the duals are really nice and grabby but unless mine take a turn for the worse I won't be in a big rush to worry about 'em.
Quote from: Night Vision on July 10, 2007, 09:43:07 PM
I have absolutely no bitches about my front brake... I have rebuilt and upgraded my entire single disc '82 front end ..... must be I don't panic when I ride....
8).......DITTO....... 8)
IMO you shouldn't have any bitches with your front brake. I think the 82 setup(if upgrades are done) has the potential to be as good or better than the 83 OEM. BTW a panic stop if you are not familiar is usually not due to the rider's mistake but from some who doesn't see you and refers to 100% braking.
Hi everyone!
I have a silver '82 I bought new in '83, still have original sales slip. I had them take off the fairing when I bought it, so no fairing. I rode it to work at the time, then moved to where I had a ridiculous commute, then married and so on, so it's mostly been a garage-sitter since then. Every few years I would fire it up and ride it around some, about 10 or 15 years ago I had a shop change all the fluids (and they apparently left some brake fluid or something on the master cylinder cover which thrashed it, grrrrr).
Well, you can see it coming. I put in a new battery, changed the oil, changed the gas (uh oh), went to crank it, discovered the throttle couldn't been moved. Discovered giant Yamaha dealer had moved to near me, went there, they won't even look at such a thing, gave me number of place that bought all their old manuals. I could see I'll never have time to deal with that, had it towed to place. They did a "diagnostic," are quoting about $1100 for carb work, master cylinder rebuild, front brake calipers, and would need to search for parts. I would expect it needs fork work, and who knows what else (original tires...)?
What motivated me to get it going again was I would like to take the train to work and need a vehicle on the other end. I had mixed emotions about leaving it out in the Irvine weather. Now I'm trying to resolve whether I really care or should just donate it. The responses I've seen to this thread pretty much support what I think it is worth monetarily (less than to fix it, of course, after it is fixed). One part of me says "yes, you foo', have you seen the price of bikes lately?" Another part says "yes, you foo', you can pretend you aren't a fat old married guy with kids, you saw that Wild Hogs movie, come on!" Another part says "oh, come on, donate it, buy another bike if you really want one." Another part says "face it bro', you are diabetic now and you will probably pass out and fall over at a stop light, get rid of it before you hurt yourself." And another part says "find a group of Vision fans, see what they have to say, and sleep on it."
So there it is. It has less than 1200 miles, some ickiness on the mechanical parts, a few minor scratches, some pitting on the wheels and black parts, would probably clean up real nice with a good detailing. It's been registered and insured all this time, 2008 sticker. When I first bought it, it had this stumble around 4000 RPM, so the dealer did something to it, they told me they put in some sort of restrictor to smooth it out, it had a bit less power and a bit less stumble.
I do remember what it feels like to wail on this Vision thing.
Advice? ???
Last minute pix I took before tow:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1176/787148427_a65a1e8c30_o.jpg)
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1363/787147835_cd3b32ba1e.jpg?v=0)
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1127/787147239_ba7d10f923_o.jpg)
A survivor! :'(
Quote from: jgarry on July 12, 2007, 09:53:50 AM
What motivated me to get it going again was I would like to take the train to work and need a vehicle on the other end. I had mixed emotions about leaving it out in the Irvine weather.
And another part says "find a group of Vision fans, see what they have to say, and sleep on it."
I do remember what it feels like to wail on this Vision thing.
Advice? ???
A survivor!
jgarry,
As a 55+ year old Vision owner I recommend you change your handle to "
A Survivor", and stay with us. You could just as easily faint and fall under the train.
Welcome back! 8)
$0.02
;)
Coil
If you end up sellin' it I'd love to get it from ya once in Cali but afraid I won't have money for that for a while. :( Hopefully someone from the group here could. But yeah, start learnin' how it wants ya to get your hands dirty and keep it. :) Sounds like the dealer might've gimped it on the stumble, YICS issue anyone?
Quote from: jgarry on July 12, 2007, 09:53:50 AM
I had mixed emotions about leaving it out in the Irvine weather.
You're near some good people, Don Minor is in San Diego, Glenn is in Santa Barbara, Ron is in Bakersfield (okay, that may be a stretch...)
I don't think you'll have a problem getting it going again if that's what you want. If not, I'm sure someone will take it off your hands whole. I'd hate to see the bike parted out. I'd take it, but I've got too many projects right now.
Brian
part of me says... fix it and keep it......
.....the other part of me says......fix it and keep it
...... I guess I'm unanimous
When taken as a whole, the projects seem almost overwhelming. you can do the work yourself. It's not that difficult and for a few hundred $$ in parts, you would have a nearly new Vision! Much less than the shop quoted you. Besides, no matter how good the shop is, they will not likely get it running up to its potential. There's just too many oddities with the carbs that we've figured out & the shops don't know or won't take the time to do correctly.
Keep it, fix it yourself & enjoy!
I'm another original owner with all paperwork! My V sat for a few multi-year periods as well. Needed quite a bit of TLC to get it back into riding shape. It rides & handles better today than it did the day I got it from the dealer.
H2O
Anytime you take on a project of restoring, you really can't look at the project as a whole. You need to break it down into pieces. Preferably, get out and do something on the bike on a regular basis. Once a week, once a day, something along those lines. Do something on a part, finish that part, and then put it aside. Eventually you'll need that completed part to complete another larger part. And eventually, that larger part will be the bike. Once you get there, you're pretty much done.
Brian
I recently bought a vision for a first bike. From the forum, I see how the visionaries love their bikes, which has made me love mine as well. Your bike is beautiful. Honestly, keep it, I think it's well worth it.
Quote from: jgarry on July 12, 2007, 09:53:50 AM
quoting about $1100 for carb work, master cylinder rebuild, front brake calipers, and would need to search for parts. I would expect it needs fork work, and who knows what else (original tires...)?
A survivor! :'(
:) First off, welcome to the ROV "Family"...the best place ANY Vision and its owner could be... 8)
Most of us have acquired our "V"s from pathetic, squalid, dark, dingy, damp Garage's/shed's/basement's/out houses/shite houses...from under deck's/tarp's or just plain naked in the back forty >:( >:( Most have sat for 6/8/10 years and have been the subject of someones carelessness/abuse :o ::)... ;) There is not a lot we, collectively, haven't seen...but that is what happens when you are the owner of one, (or several!!!), of Yamaha's Bastard son's ;)
What I can tell you is, if you want that nice looking "V" of your to come back to life...you are at the right place. We have the knowledge, spare part's and the right attitude to help you out...No "I'm smarter than you" attitude here ;) All we want is to help those who want to ride their "V", to help you get the best out of her and keep her running for years to come...is that what YOU want ??? ???
"Lucky" has a C.D. that includes workshop manual's/parts manual with part number's/helpfull tip's, etc...Buy one, you will need it... 8)
Look in the "Swap Shop" for part's...Can't find it/them, just ask ;)
If you decide to fix her, you will be back on the road for a lot less than you have been quoted by a shop, that in all proability, has NOOOOOOO idea about the Vision ::) However, if you decide to let her go, I'm sure someone here will be more than happy to take her off your hand's......
8).......TIGER....... 8)
QuoteIf you decide to fix her, you will be back on the road for a lot less than you have been quoted by a shop, that in all proability, has NOOOOOOO idea about the Vision However, if you decide to let her go, I'm sure someone here will be more than happy to take her off your hand's......
Yeah, it was in the back of my mind that someone might get the hots for her, want to grab a gorgeous bike for peanuts, we all dream of the barn find, well here it is ;D
Just typing it in this morning, then looking at my own pictures, I know it's an emotional decision. I also know I'm not gonna do it myself, I just have too many other things going on for the forseeable future. The kid at the shop made some comment like "my boss said these were known as problem bikes," not a good sign (but at least someone has some idea :P ). Wife heard the quote on the answering machine, another not-good sign. In the past at different times, I've had to panic-sell a '63 Vette and a ZR1, so I know how it feels to let go of some really desireable material thing.
I'm gonna sleep on it and decide tomorrow. I'm in Vista, CA, should anyone be excited about it and want to throw a few hundred dollars at me.
Where can I find carbs, anyways?
Quote from: jgarry on July 12, 2007, 07:24:30 PM
Where can I find carbs, anyways?
You can find carb rebuild kits: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YAMAHA-XZ550-XZ550RJ-VISION-KEYSTER-CARB-KIT-1982_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35597QQihZ018QQitemZ280131706340QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YAMAHA-XZ550-XZ550RJ-VISION-KEYSTER-CARB-KIT-1982_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35597QQihZ018QQitemZ280131706340QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V)
They're well set up. You would need two of these, one for each carb. (if you did bid, just send a note saying you would like two...)
Brian
Aw jeez, Brian, I was getting emotionally ready to dump it. Now I have to fix it! ;)
Glad to help ;D
ALLRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :)
My 82 Vision... $100.00 (2001)
My Vision 5 year later... $3000.00... (most all the 83 good stuff.. and a few stators......now)
Those who I have met because of my V.. Priceless.... (CROV.. and the 25th anniversary gang)
I've learned to love IT, those associated with IT...(even Brian!) and I've ALMOST learned how to ride IT on asphalt ..
That's why I keep it!
At 54 years old.. that's no shit!
"I'm GlennW... and I endorse the message...."
I have been reading the topics on the forum for quite some time. Never miss them. Now, like I said earlier, I'm planning a trip from SFO to Mexico on the vision this coming November. It's about 2500-3000 miles one way. Regarding the problems typical of the vision, not that mine has had any problems yet, I'm having second thoughts. What do you visionaries think? What good advice do the ROV have?
Thank's
I put 40,000 miles on mine before I had major problems. No matter what vehicle you choose, there is the chance that something will go wrong. Prepare for that chance as much as you can, and then go have fun. In my case, I had to rent a truck and come home. A little expensive, but not life threatening. A stator or R/R isn't life threatening.
If you want life threatening, I regularly fly a 60+ year old airplane for 3+ hour round-trips. ;)
Brian
Well there you go. My mind is at ease. Thank's Brian.
Glad to help.
Brian (phbbt! to Glenn! ;D )
visions, as with airplanes (never flown a 60+ but 25-40 is not uncommon. what do you fly, Brian?) are only as good as their care and maintenance. they can last decades if taken care of. airplanes usually don't come back like visions after years of neglect. I pulled mine out of an Impound lot in october, and it kinda ran. i've fixed a lot of problems and in a few weeks she'll be almost respectably road worthy. I was overwhelmed at the Piece of fecal matter I thought I had been pressured into buying for $225(not by the seller, by my friend with his 81 virago that he completely restored). After I took inventory of what worked and got into fixing it, i got addicted. I go nuts without parts sitting around cuz i want to work on it. all the time.
don't get discouraged though, carbs are an hour job, maybe...deffinitely not $1100 worth of work. Have fun. keep us updated
Quote from: ColinthePilot on July 15, 2007, 03:17:43 PM
what do you fly, Brian?
Stinson 108, as near as I can tell from records, it's been resurrected 4 times in its life.
(http://www.skyhighway.com/~acropilot/8306K/8306K.jpg)
very nice looking airplane!. I just moved to San Antonio and one of my must visits is Stinson Field. I fly much less interesting airplanes, Cessna's and Pipers mostly.
How much do you fly? I mean how far have you flown?
I had to get my bike appraised for the insurance company. Talking to the general manager at the dealership who does 'em when I told him what type he had a bit of a surprised laugh but knew about it at least. They don't typically charge for 'em which is cool, and apparently the value book only goes back to 1986. :P So he said to ust write down a figure that should work and he'd sign it. So I appraised mine at $1,000. :D Considering it's not in bad shape (just doesn't look pretty per se) that's probably not too far over. I figured to land it roughly in the middle since many range from $400-1,500 within reason. He signed it soooo...
Quote from: abogado68 on July 15, 2007, 05:10:30 PM
How much do you fly? I mean how far have you flown?
I was flying weekly till about january, when a tornado rolled through my home base and took out most of the fleet. haven't flown much since then, and i'm just starting a new job, so flying may not be in the cards for a while. longest trip I flew was from Daytona Beach,FL to Marathon Key, FL, about 700nm round trip about 2 years ago.
instead of hijacking this thread for flying purposes, I'm going to start another thread in the "off topic" section
I bought jgarry's 82 today. Brought it home and put my spare carbs on it and it fired right up. It quit smoking after about 5 minutes. Runs and idles fine. I haven't ridden it yet. There's still lots of work to be done on the motorcycle.
Ron :) :) :)
Having regrets now, of course :'(
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1133/843444618_fe6651e5fa.jpg?v=0)
Bye Bye Bike!
The $1100 included some other stuff, about $800 was for the carbs, I can see R&R + rebuilds taking more than an hour. Since Ron has spares and skills I don't, I didn't think that was really out of line. All the other stuff I could see it is going to need put it out of my comfort zone. I'm just happy someone got it who cares. Good luck, Ron!
Speaking of hijacking a thread for flying, check out what happened (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joel_garry/sets/72157600840465718/detail/) to my cuz' plane, he tells me details are in the August Pacific Flyer, p. B10 (I haven't seen it yet).
Im sure Ron would be happy to sell it back to you for $2000.00
Quote from: kwells on August 18, 2007, 12:16:06 AM
Im sure Ron would be happy to sell it back to you for $2000.00
I'd ask even more than that . . . ;D
Beautiful survivor! It's even the faster Star Silver! In the pix, it looks just like mine did when it had that same mileage on it - back in '84.
Looks like you both made a good deal - but I'd rather be on Ron's end of it. Seller's remorse can be a little rough. :'(
H
2O
i have a slightly banged up non running vision I can sell you for 800 if you really want another one
No thanks - I've already got a slightly banged up 82 V waiting for some welding & parts. Should be getting around to fixing it next week or so. Will be stealing its stator for silver V. Also taking the R/R and maybe even the flywheel. Going to do an entire charging system change to see if I can make a stator last more than 3,000 miles.
H2O
have you done the soldering of the connections? I'm assuming you have ...I also remember you saying you replaced the R/R but I'm not sure which V. Maybe you just got a series of bad luck on stators?
Thanks for the good wishes Joel. I'm not interested in selling this baby. Money is easier to come by than low mileage, cared for, 25 year old motorcycles. I'm waiting for tires right now and it will need a fuse box and brake system overhaul to be road worthy, but I've ridden it around the local area some. Its mechanically very quiet and runs very well.
The other reason I wouldn't sell it is that I have a Vision because I really like to ride them. I didn't get one because it was cheap or someone gave it to me. I bought mine new and aquired parts bikes because I intend to keep riding one as long as I am able to ride a motorcycle. With this one I should have a lot of miles to go and also have one to ride when I'm working on the other one.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: kwells on August 18, 2007, 03:24:28 AM
have you done the soldering of the connections? I'm assuming you have ...I also remember you saying you replaced the R/R but I'm not sure which V. Maybe you just got a series of bad luck on stators?
My first stator fried about 200 miles after soldering the connections. ::) I'll
not do that again. With all the new charging parts, the connectors seem to stay clean. They get taken apart & inspected on a very regular basis. Figure if I try using the complete setup from a different bike, maybe I'll eliminate that gremlin.
Quote from: Ron_McCoy on August 18, 2007, 12:45:06 PM
Thanks for the good wishes Joel. I'm not interested in selling this baby. Money is easier to come by than low mileage, cared for, 25 year old motorcycles. I'm waiting for tires right now and it will need a fuse box and brake system overhaul to be road worthy, but I've ridden it around the local area some. Its mechanically very quiet and runs very well.
The other reason I wouldn't sell it is that I have a Vision because I really like to ride them. I didn't get one because it was cheap or someone gave it to me. I bought mine new and aquired parts bikes because I intend to keep riding one as long as I am able to ride a motorcycle. With this one I should have a lot of miles to go and also have one to ride when I'm working on the other one.
;D ;D ;D
Agreed, 100%! ;D
H
2O
Damn fine purchase there Ron! That is one sweet Vision!
I know about sellers remorse.. I sold my blue Vision today... :'(
Hey Pete, you're supposed to buy them , not sell them. I hope you still have as many Visions as Ninjas.
Quote from: Ron_McCoy on August 18, 2007, 12:45:06 PM
I intend to keep riding one as long as I am able to ride a motorcycle.
;D ;D ;D
"Definitively" stated, Ron.
8)
Coil
Quote from: Ron_McCoy on August 19, 2007, 01:30:56 AM
Hey Pete, you're supposed to buy them , not sell them. I hope you still have as many Visions as Ninjas.
HAHAHAA!
2 Vision
2 Ninjas
1 FZR 600 (project, just finished up the engine)
and the X's GS450
Hopefully soon, I will be down to
1 Vision, could never sell that bike...
1 Ninja, C model ZX600, man that bike is perfect for lane splitting
and 1 bike I have had my eye on for about 5 years. It just came up for sale and I already commited to buy it! That is why I have been cleanin' out my garage, and selling some of the xtra parts I had.
I can't imagine the beat down my wife would give me if I brought another bike home.
82 Vision Red (fastest color)
95 Ducati Monster (Red, green, blue, blue/darkblue, now lava red)
06 Daytona 675
Quote from: Ron_McCoy on August 18, 2007, 12:45:06 PM
Thanks for the good wishes Joel. I'm not interested in selling this baby. Money is easier to come by than low mileage, cared for, 25 year old motorcycles. I'm waiting for tires right now and it will need a fuse box and brake system overhaul to be road worthy, but I've ridden it around the local area some. Its mechanically very quiet and runs very well.
The other reason I wouldn't sell it is that I have a Vision because I really like to ride them. I didn't get one because it was cheap or someone gave it to me. I bought mine new and aquired parts bikes because I intend to keep riding one as long as I am able to ride a motorcycle. With this one I should have a lot of miles to go and also have one to ride when I'm working on the other one.
;D ;D ;D
Interesting, I didn't know there was anything wrong with the fuse box. With the gorgeous weather down here, I'm
really feeling the remorse :'( But I'm still happy for you and the bike! :D
Zore,
what do you think about the daytona compared to the Monster? I've been eyeballing the new Street Triple, which has many of the same elements as the daytona.
Have to consolidate some space in my driveway (and kwellz' :o)
1 XT250
1 JT100
1 TS185
1 CB750
1 Vision (green)
1 Vision (silver, parts)
1 Vision (black, 83)
XT is for dirt riding, the jt is my learners bike, the ts185 is evil and noone will buy it, the cb is a future long distance bike, the green vision is the daily rider, the silver one is going into the 83, the 83 is the future techno-bike (stereo, extra gauges, flux capacitor)
There was nothing wrong with the fuse box until I checked the main fuse and one of the tabs that hold the fuse broke off as I reinstalled it. This is really common on Visions. It got new tires this weekend and its brake fluid replaced. Just about ready to be a regular ride.
Kwells, I sat on the street triple at Laguna Seca. It felt really light and easy to move side to side. Nice riding position too. Reminded me of a certain Yamaha.
I know its a little late for most of you guys, but the whole thing with the wife giving you grief about aquiring motorcycles is something that you need to get straight BEFORE you get married. If she won't support your motorcycling addiction, forget her and find someone who will, regardless of how you think you feel about her and whatever other good qualities she has. Its just not worth it. My wife has been enthusiastic about the purchase of all 5 bikes that I have and the ones I had before them. She has even bought parts bikes for me without me knowing about it beforehand. She's a jewel. If you're a serious motorcyclist, you need to find one like her or stay single. You'll be a lot happier.
my girl does a good job of not harping on me about my bikes...and I think it's cuz she knows what's good fer her. Jk...i dont slap her around too much....having a place to keep em is always an issue though. As it is...there are 4 bikes in my carport. I'd love to add that street triple to the mix though.
Ron is so right. My wife and I rode many miles together before we married. After marriage, while on an extended European bike tour, she got real spoiled by the comfort of a fellow travelers R75/5 BMW. Back home a year and half later, she surprised me with a fully touring equipped R60/5. We rode it for the next ten years.
Quote from: kwells on August 31, 2007, 03:30:01 PM
Zore,
what do you think about the daytona compared to the Monster? I've been eyeballing the new Street Triple, which has many of the same elements as the daytona.
My monster is not stock. I've done alot of thing to it that have made it not so nice on the street, but then again, not bad either. Since I don't recall what the stock monster really felt like, I'd have to give it to the street triple. I'll never sell my monster, but the triumph I3 is just a thing of wonder. The 675 even more so since the bike is so light.
I just sat on the new Street Triple and I gotta say it feels really nice. The ergos are very natural. This winter will determine what I do next spring. I may just restore my extra Vision and sell it next spring in primo condition and just go to one running Vision. It is hard to justify having an extra bike sitting around in 3/4ths condition.
since this thread is wandering all over the place, I'll report that I've had no stator problems. my problems are
hammered rods, I'm into my second crank in two years. Of corse they were used bottom ends and I ride the hell out of it. Next time I'm going to have to get new inserts and have the crank reground . I still have two more parts engines, but one has a bad gearbox and I don't remember which one! Its always the left rod the goes , since its farthest from the oil pump. I wish there was a way to boost the oil pressure, I'll have to look into that.
gotta say your a minority around here. Bottom end issues are almost non existent. There is a wide range of those that run their V's hard and those that nurse them but I have yet to hear of this issue. Sit tight....there will be others coming to chime in soon enough.
Despite the low number of posts, Rick is one of the "old guard". Just hasn't been online with us in a while. Sure glad he's back! Haven't ridden with him (yet!), but the stories from the Kingman CROV ride are legendary!!!
Bottom ends are not generally a problem, but using used parts is always risky. Many mechanics were fooled by the starter clutch bolts, telling owners years ago that the rattle was the bottom end & thus, basically, terminal. ::) Wonder if dealers in the late 80s wanted to get as many Visions off the road as possible, so Yamaha could deny they ever existed?!? ;)
H2O
I'm have a problem getting the site to recognise me , it said my name did not exist, so I went ahead and used it, so I'm a newby now . When I looked in the members list, It was there as a senior member , I'm confused. I've emailed Ron maybe he can figure it out.
When I worked in a last resort shop in Oregon , the owner who is even older than me ! mentioned that the left rod bearing was prone to failure, it being the one farthest from the oil supply.
h2o any time you want to ride down here I'd be pleased to show you around .and this is the time of year , before the snow fries in Colorado.
Thanks for the invite, Rick. I've been shuttling a Formula Mazda between Ft. Collins & Phoenix the last couple years. We normally go down in April & the bikes fit into the trailer with the car. Makes getting around the pits much easier! If we go again this April, I'll have my buddy stop in Flagstaff on the way home so I can head over to finally meet you! Would be a fun ride to Ft. Collins from there. Not only meeting a Vision legend, :D but also an excellent opportunity to ride through Monument Valley! Just have to watch closely for the drunk Native American drivers in that area. Last time through there, (the fall, 2004 CROV ride), I saw several old, beat up vehicles weaving from edge to edge on the pavement - both on I-40 & the hwy toward Kayenta.
I'm going to the CROV ride in Tehachapi this week. Depending on how things are going in Ft. Collins with my dad, I may have time to stop by on Monday, October 1, taking the longer way home. Send me your contact info in an email or PM.
Riding that distance from here is questionable for now. I'm burning up stators at a frightening rate. Averaging one every thousand miles. ::) Recently adjusted my thermostat & hoping the cooler running makes the difference. If not, I'll swap flywheels to see if I'm vibrating the things to death.
Again, glad to see you back on the forum!
H2O
Quote from: h2olawyer on September 24, 2007, 02:58:42 AM
...... I'm burning up stators at a frightening rate. Averaging one every thousand miles. ::) Recently adjusted my thermostat & hoping the cooler running makes the difference. If not, I'll swap flywheels to see if I'm vibrating the things to death.........
H2O
have you thought about checking to see if your flywheel is in balance? similar to static balancing a wheel...
this last flywheel I have off has two countersunk drill holes on the outside. I don't recall seeing them on the other flywheels, but then again, they might all have them...
they are obviously intended to balance the flywheel
My flywheel has one or two of those 'divots' as well. The only way I may have changed the balance is when I changed the starter clutch bolts.
May be one of those duh questions, but how does one go about checking / correcting the balance of a Vision flywheel?
H2O
I thought maybe if you got a big enough dowel to go through the center hole, you could then put it on your static wheel balancer ???
and instead of adding lead weights.... just drill more divots
I would check with a machine shop that balances drive shafts and yokes.