:) For those who have yet to up-grade their Vision's stopping power with Stainless Steel brake line's, ::), here is what you need...
:) '82... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YAMAHA-VISION-550-1982-GALFER-FRONT-1-SS-BRAKE-LINE-KIT_W0QQitemZ330181165137QQihZ014QQcategoryZ35592QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
:) '83... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YAMAHA-VISION-1983-GALFER-FRONT-2-SS-BRAKE-LINE-KIT_W0QQitemZ330183987961QQihZ014QQcategoryZ35592QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
...They
DO make a
BIG difference... 8)
8).......TIGER....... 8)
I'll second that - huge braking improvement. Should be done as part of getting a Vision on the road again - or if you haven't done it yet, make it part of your regular maintenance with your next oil change or other procedure. For many, the winter storage time is coming. Making the swap as part of the spring go-through would make sense as well.
H2O
Last time I saw Fiat Doctor he had a source and was going to be offering some sets at a lower price...
Yes, I should be able to offer them in a couple of weeks for quite a bit less for both models.... I have a company make them for our racecars and they have made some for my V's as well. They use the stock banjo bolts and have the ends swaged(sp?) in place. Very nice stuff. They (and I) slow down in the winter so I will put in an order for some sets for us.
Steve
What about two hose sets with longer banjo bolts for the twin disc '83 model?
I had one installed in my baby and it relly improved braking. I really suggest a braided brake line installed.
Quote from: QBS on November 09, 2007, 10:26:35 PM
What about two hose sets with longer banjo bolts for the twin disc '83 model?
For my '83 I just copied the stock 3 hose setup. That way it uses the stock banjo bolts. Is there an advantage to the two hose way?
Steve
The two hose method is the preferred set-up on modern sportbikes. Don't know why - other than ease of installation. I copied the 1 into 2 (83) setup as well. However, the ends I got were wider than the stock Yamaha banjos. So, I had to get the matching bolts from Russell so they wouldn't have the holes in the bolts blocked off. The singles weren't too bad, but the double was unusable with the OEM bolt.
I cannot get the lever to touch the grip - no matter how hard I squeeze. Proper bleeding is easier with speedbleeders & a vacuum source.
H2O
Quote from: fiat-doctor on November 10, 2007, 12:06:15 AM
Quote from: QBS on November 09, 2007, 10:26:35 PM
What about two hose sets with longer banjo bolts for the twin disc '83 model?
For my '83 I just copied the stock 3 hose setup. That way it uses the stock banjo bolts. Is there an advantage to the two hose way?
Steve
I'd be interested in an '83 3 hose setup. let me know the price and I'll add to the order
2 be better because ease of bleed, fewer connections, and ease of install.
I just think the 3 hose setup looks cleaner
This is a great upgrade. It is nice to have brakes on a bike that actually work. My old rubber hoses always flexed. Now the brake lever stops and is firm when I apply the brakes. The stopping distance has decreased.
Quote from: Night Vision on November 10, 2007, 09:15:51 AM
Quote from: fiat-doctor on November 10, 2007, 12:06:15 AM
Quote from: QBS on November 09, 2007, 10:26:35 PM
What about two hose sets with longer banjo bolts for the twin disc '83 model?
For my '83 I just copied the stock 3 hose setup. That way it uses the stock banjo bolts. Is there an advantage to the two hose way?
Steve
I'd be interested in an '83 3 hose setup. let me know the price and I'll add to the order
Hope I got this "quoting" thing down.... I will get on this asap and get some prices for you guys. I will do the '82 single line and can have them for low risers as well, and for the 3-line '83 set up and I'll try to get good measurements on the 2 line method and find the correct banjo bolt for this and price that as well.
Should have an answer on price by next Friday and the first group of sets here in 2-3 weeks.
I'll also get some pix of the lines as well.
Steve
Not only is the 2 line an easier bleed / install, but it is a cheaper solution as well. However, I think the 3 line is a less cluttered look.
H2O
Quote from: couchflyer on November 10, 2007, 11:12:21 AM
...My old rubber hoses always flexed. Now the brake lever stops and is firm when I apply the brakes. The stopping distance has decreased.
:) One, Two or Three line's, whatever your need's...but this is exactly why you need to install S.S. Braided brake line's... 8)
8).......TIGER....... 8)
I'm still undecided on the 2 vs 3 line setup. I have the 2 line now, but I bolted the splitter in place in case I wanted to goto the 3 line setup.
As a side note, the three line setup will have twice the pressure in the upper line as the two lower lines. That will stress the line a bit more. I doubt that will amount to anything given our old brake setups.
Brian
I made up an SS set up for an '82 for half what the Galfer stuff. @ ends $10ea + SS line $30 no shipping. Got it down @ local shop. I used Goodridge line. My '83 I found a brand new Russell(3 line) set up. It works fine. If you do make a 2 line for an '83 you need to bleed the bubbles out from the banjo at the master cyl....
Also the newest bikes run one line down to one caliper. Then using a longer double banjo. The 2nd line Loops over the fender to the other caliper. This is now common because the sum of parts and weight is less.
Quote from: jasonm. on November 10, 2007, 07:35:09 PM
If you do make a 2 line for an '83 you need to bleed the bubbles out from the banjo at the master cyl....
8) Didn't have to with mine...Filled both caliper's with brake fluid, before attaching the brake line's, (which I had pumped fluid into). Bled off, no problem at all... 8)
8).......TIGER....... 8)
Dump that hose conection.. use a double bango.. problem and mess solved..
;) Galfer lives a 30 miles south of me.. it was his idea! "What length would you like"?...he said..
glennw
Sorry Brian, the pressure is the same everywhere in the system. That's how a closed hydraulic system works.
Ron
ah...Ron does lurk in the shadows
You have one line with a cross sectional area of 1.25 inches going to 2 lines each with a cross-sectional area of 1.25 inches. The pressure in each of the two lines will be 1/2 the pressure in the main line.
Tell me the physics of what you say.
Brian
Constant pressure is why they use hydraulic/brake fluid for these types of systems.
The 2 hose setup actually contains more hose and fluid than the 3 hose setup. You'll have 2 lengths traveling the distance from the MC to the triple clamp rather than one...
Moreover, lo and behold, there is a US General version of the MityVac at H-Freight now...
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92474 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92474)
Pascal's Principle states that when pressure on any part of a confined fluid is changed, The pressure on every part of that fluid is changed by the same amount. This is the basis for all hydraulic systems.
2 hose or 3 hose wont make a difference since. You are simply splitting the pressure further down the line. My sprint also had a 2 hose setup but the second hose came off the first caliper then went over to the second caliper. My 675 is the same way. You can see the double banjo on the right caliper.
(http://www.m900.net/images/P/Motorcycles/675/IMG_5139.jpg)
Quote from: Ron_McCoy on November 12, 2007, 12:06:00 PM
Pascal's Principle states that when pressure on any part of a confined fluid is changed, The pressure on every part of that fluid is changed by the same amount. This is the basis for all hydraulic systems.
Stupid me, not sure what I was thinking at the time. Have to dig my physics books out of the boxes they're in.
Brian
(volume? bulge? vodka? coffee? who knows... funny thing is, if I actually think about the physics at the "molecular" level, Pascal's law makes sense... )
Quote from: zore on November 12, 2007, 12:21:15 PM
2 hose or 3 hose wont make a difference since. You are simply splitting the pressure further down the line. My sprint also had a 2 hose setup but the second hose came off the first caliper then went over to the second caliper. My 675 is the same way. You can see the double banjo on the right caliper.
(http://www.m900.net/images/P/Motorcycles/675/IMG_5139.jpg)
You don't split pressures, you place them in series with your setup. The pressures remain the same at both calipers, no matter what the hose arrangements are, it just take a bit more fluid to fill a system with more hose.
I look at the long banjo bolt as the 3rd hose in whatever setup you use.
I personally don't like the second hose going over the fender like the 675. That loop is a high spot for air. Triumph uses SS lines. So this is less of a worry. But just a higher potential while bleeding the brakes for air to get there.
Quote from: fiat-doctor on November 09, 2007, 10:03:47 PM
Yes, I should be able to offer them in a couple of weeks for quite a bit less for both models.... I have a company make them for our racecars and they have made some for my V's as well. They use the stock banjo bolts and have the ends swaged(sp?) in place. Very nice stuff. They (and I) slow down in the winter so I will put in an order for some sets for us.
Steve
Any update on this? About to start into my V as my winter project.
Sorry 'bout the delay... I re-checked my measurements for both my '82 and my '83 and called to check pricing...
It breaks down like this...
For a single line '82 they will run $46 plus $5.50 US mail shipping (I think it's the same to Canada, but will check).
You can specify if you have stock or '83 risers. (you can use the longer '82 line with either, but not the shorter
line with the tall risers)
For a three line '83 style they run $80 plus $5.50 shipping.
I haven't had time to measure (very accurately) a two line setup.
They all have factory crimped on 10mm banjo fittings and use the stock banjo bolts.
I'll try to upload a pic to photobucket and post it here.
The shop makes this stuff for all manner of racecars and it's of the highest quality but
it is NOT DOT certified!!!! Might make a difference for some peoples insurance.
I'm going to place an order for some other stuff from them first thing next week. It will take a week to
ten days for me to get them and I'll ship them out right away. I'm set up for paypal.
If you want any, let me know and I'll get some extras coming. I've done this to both of my bikes
and it does make a HUGE difference.
Steve
(http://i17.tinypic.com/7x8p2me.jpg)
Ok, did this send the pic?
Hope so :)
I can see it, and since I'm at work that's saying it definitely sent it. :D
So when are these going to be available?
Hey Fiat Dr., I used to work at Fiat dealership back in the old days. You indeed love challenges! Pretty nice cars as long as you keep them out of the salt. Canadian winters were tough on them.
Can you do the stainless lines in black? I just can't get used to the gleam of stainless steel. I'm due for a set on my 82.
Yes, Fiats and Visions.... never any spare time here :)
Answers to the questions:
The shop that makes them only has the shiny stainless, so no black.
I'm making an order for some race stuff this Tuesday and will order a few sets of Vision lines at the same time.
It takes them about a week to a ten days to do them. So to be safe I'd say I'll have some lines ready to send out in
approx two weeks.
If anyone is interested, let me know and I'll put your name on one. I order from these folks about every month or two so
it's not like it's a one time deal....
Steve
put me down for a three line jobber and pm me the particulars...
never know when I might need it 8)
I'll get an 83 replacement.
We should do a ride when I pick it up
Update... got the lines ordered on Tuesday. Should see them by the end of next week. I'll PM those who are interested when I have 'em in my hot little hands and get them sent out.
Pullshocks.... yes, now that the snow has melted a ride would be good!
Steve
Got the brake lines in.... have a few sets of all flavors. I will PM the folks who asked about them earlier and after theirs are on the way I will let the rest of you know what's left. I will order more as needed.
Steve
Steve, you out there? I sent you a couple of pm's
I was a victim of the junk mail folder :)
Happy New Year!
Steve