Riders Of Vision

I HAVE AN 82 VISION. I WANT A LARGER
REAR TIRE MAYBE 130 AND A LARGER FRON TIRE 110? CAN IT BE DONE DUE TO CLEARANCE? OR HOW FAR CAN I GO? HAS ANYBODY OUT THER CHANGED THE TIRE SIZE? HOW DID THE BIKE HANDLE?

:) My advise for your '82...

:) Front...100 x 90 x 18
:) Rear....110 x 90 x 18
...Buy good quality tire's...Avon, Metzler, Bridgestone, etc, run at the correct pressure's and your "V" will handle just fine... 8) I don't have any "Chicken Strip's" on my '82's...front or back ;)

A 130 rear will not fit into the rear swing arm set up...a 120 will. However, because you are trying to squish a larger tire onto a skinny rim the center of the tread will "Balloon" and there-fore there is less rubber-to-road contact...Looks good but less effective. That said, I know one or two people have gone with the 120 rear and will disagree with me... ::)

Its nice to complete the journey intact...rather than, 1  - call an ambulance, 2 - clean the s**t outta your pants because you made a wrong decision... ::)

...just my 2 cent's worth ::)


                   

TNAKS A LOT FOR YOUR ADVICE. :) I JUST BOUGHT THE BIKE. IT'S AN 82 VISION CANDY APPLE RED. WITH 1500 ORIGINAL MILES. IT'S COMPLETELY STOCK DOWN TO THE ORIGINAL TIRES. IT LOKKS LIKE IT WAS PUT IN AN AIR TIGHT TIME CAPSULE. THE BIKE IS IN SFO, CAL., AT MY PARTNER´S GARAGE. I PLAN ON RIDDING THE BIKE TO MY PLACE (100 MILES SOUTH OF GUADALAJARA, JALISCO, MEXICO) THIS COMING NOVEMBER. IT'S ABOUT A 2500 MILE ADVENTURE. I'M AN ATTORNEY IN MEXICO AND MY PARTNER IS AN ATTORNEY IN SFO. WE WILL RIDE DOWN TOGETHER. HE WILL RIDE AN 85 KAWA 900CC NINJA AND ME MY BEAUTIFUL VISION. I'M EXCITED. THANKS FOR THE ADVICE I REALLY APRECIATE IT. :)

WHY YOU YELLING?  just kidding.  How is the inside of the tank.  I bet you will find some particles of rust kicking around in there.  For a 2500 mile trip on a 'stock' vision you will probably run into some probs.  Install an inline filter between your petcock and carbs for now but you will have to line your tank to fix the rusting issues.  There are other upgrades for these bikes that most consider necessary as well such as tapered head bearings.

ALLRIGHT. GRACIAS SEÃ'OR. WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE AS UPGRADES FOR THE TRIP? THE TANK LOOKS VERY CLEAN. NO RUST.

really if your bike is running good...it's ready.  Maybe get a hydration pack, some bungies, and hit the road

On my way to the store for the hydration pack and other.... ;D  Thank's a lot. I'm in the market for a sport fairing for that particular model (82 vision) any givvers?

Shark fairings (the more common small Vision fairing) come up for sale on eBay from time to time.  Since you won't be making the long trip until November, you have some time to seek one out.  Otherwise, your choices are kind of limited due to the cast handlebars.  There are a couple clear "cruiser" type windshields that fit & would make for some good protection, but don't really fit the Vision's sportier image.

Glad to have a new owner South of the Border!  Welcome to the forum.   :D  (Just what we need -- ANOTHER lawyer here!)

H₂O

Yep, there goes the forum to many lawyers lol :D Thank's on the fairing, I will be looking for one on e-bay. I have found some great motorcycle roads to cruis down wit the vision. One of them leads directlyr to a volcano I have personally climbed. It's a beautiful twisty mountain road. Another takes you across the state og Guanajuato's mountains and delivers you to San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato. It's a beautiful colonial town (filled with americans including a famous attroney novelist from Texas who lives permanently in San Miguel de Allende).

Another one takes you up a beautiful pine filled scenery highway to lake Patzcuaro(where Jonh Steinbeck's novel "the pearl" was filmed.) Then onward to Morelia, Michoacan, a colonial city declared a world heritage site.

Another road to beautiful San Luis Potosi, which a really beautiful colonial city in the Northern part of Mexico. Lot's of fun and riding to be done on my vision.


Maybe ROV will plan a bike ride down to Mexico. It will be fun. I will be more than happy to colaborate.

I would move the rectifier from behind the battery box to the passenger footpeg area for better cooling    before I took off on a long ride. Put some miles on it beforehand and get familiar with the machine.

I just put a set of BT45's on my xz550RR SPO and am happy with them thus far, even if I haven't hit any quality twisties yet.  I'll be interested how long they last.  I got 10k out of the last set of tires.

THANKS KEVIN FOR THE GOOD ADVICE I WILL CERTAINLY DO THAT.

ZORE, WHAT SIZE WERE THE BT45'S?

 Front...100 x 90 x 18
Rear....110 x 90 x 18

The only reason to put a wider tire on a bike is horsepower.  Putting too wide a tire on a narrow wheel will negativly effect handling. 


I went with the bt45's because I believe they'll be around a while and I didn't want to get used to a tire I wouldn't be able to purchase in a year.  I believe the avon super venoms are discontinued.

THANK'S ZORE. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T THANK YOU EARLIER, BUT I HAVE BEEN IN MEXICO CITY ON A CASE. I SHALL RIDE MY BIKE FOR THE FIRST TIME NEXT MONTH IN SFO, CA.

I was just checking my factory manual lately, and noticed the 1983 appendix lists tire size as 100/90 front and 120/80 rear. Wheel widths are unchanged so it seems Yamaha chose to respond to complaints that the original tire sizes were to small. They may have also done it because of the extra weight of 83's.
I have run both sizes and found different brands to seem larger or smaller for a given size, ie: BT45s seem/look small in 90/90 and 110/90 vs Avons. Simply a subjective oppinion. I haven't measured them mounted up.

nothing a length of measuring tape can't fix VM!

If you are worried about the looks of the tire on the wheel, then even a 120 would look small to me.  I just wanted tires that worked and handled well. 

Quote from: VisionMeister on June 29, 2007, 11:12:29 AM
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I have run both sizes and found different brands to seem larger or smaller for a given size, ie: BT45s seem/look small in 90/90 and 110/90 vs Avons. Simply a subjective oppinion. I haven't measured them mounted up.

I agree and have measured them. the BT45s are "smaller" than the same sized avons...

I still think I'll go with Jeff Swan's sizes for my roadster.... think about racing bicycles.... skinny skinny tires

I knew they looked smaller.
The BT45's have great traction but mine wore quickly. Especially just off center on the front. It developed a peaked profile and started wobbling if I wasn't firm on the bars. I live in the hills though, so constant cornering is the norm. More straightaway highway miles would probably have helped with the wear pattern.
I really haven't been disappointed by any brand of tire in the last 5 years. Bridgestone BT45, Pirelli Sport Demon and two sets of Avons have all worked great.
I usually replace tires once a year and average about 3,000 miles to a set.
My latest set looks like it will make 4,000 miles due to the cruise to Colorado for the 25 year meet.

Vmeister, the '83 still lists the in the factory manual page 27....110 size for the rear as stock. I have had 120 Metz on mine for years. Has worked well. Get 7-8k out of them. I lean my bike. So the sides get a work out too. Are you doing smoke shows or just not leaning to only get 3k or so out of yours? I am looking at the getting Pirelli Demon now to match my Pirelli "match" front.  Hope I get more than 4k out of it. :-\

Quote from: jasonm. on July 04, 2007, 03:23:24 PM
Are you doing smoke shows or just not leaning to only get 3k or so out of yours? I am looking at the getting Pirelli Demon now to match my Pirelli "match" front.  Hope I get more than 4k out of it. :-\

You obviously have not seen Visionmeister ride. Actually, keeping up to see him ride is the trick.  So my guess is that he rides the s##t out of them and that is why they don't last.  I have the Pirelli Sport Demons on mine and like them so much I just ordered a pair for my 750 Katana.
                   Chris

with my fzr or my vision i would rather replace a tire cause of ware rather than rot. you can buy a tire that is hard and will last many many miles but then how do you know when you need a new one? when it blows and your going down the road. not good in my book. i buy a medium tire. id rather wear one out then blow one out.

right now im running pirelli sport demon's on the fzr and kenda challenger's on the vision. both are a medium grade tire, ive had the vision on the track with the challenger's and they handle great. i was able to keep up with the 6oo sport bike's. (most of it was due to the rider)

tires are a personal choice. if you want a tire that will last 10 years then buy a harder tire. if you want a tire that will stick like glue in the corner then buy a soft tire. it all depends on how you ride. if you ride alot of corners and push it hard in them then get a softer tire. if you want to cruise the hi-way get a harder tire.

I PLAN ON RIDDING MAYBE EVERY SUNDAY MAYBE 200 MILES. WHAT TYPE OF TIRE WOULD BE GOOD, A HARD TIRE OR A SOFT ONE?

That still depends on the type of riding you will be doing.  If it's generally lots of straights & fast sweepers, you can get by with a harder tire.  If you plan on hitting some twisty roads, you'll appreciate the softer, stickier ones.  Even if it's an even mix of straight & twisty roads, I'd suggest going for the softer ones.

H₂O

           

VisionMeister has a set of the new Avon RoadRiders (Super Venom replacement).  Said they took some time to wear in (may have been the heavy load & high pressures).  Kwells also has one RoadRider in combination with a Super Venom.  On tactile comparison, the compound appears to be the same - or at least very close.  The RoadRiders are quite a bit less $$ than the Super Venoms were.

I really like the Super Venoms on my bike.  Looks like I'll get around 5,000 miles out of them.  Rear is wearing faster than the front - as usual for MC tires.  I have about 3K on them now.  Next set for me are either the RoadRiders or the Pirelli Sport Demons.  Both of those have a more modern "radial type" tread pattern.  If I can figure out the Metzeler distribution and can locate a 110/90-18 Lasertec rear, I may go with those instead.  Can't get straight answers from dealers.  Haven't tried Metzeler directly as yet.

H₂O

IT WILL BE A MIX STRAIGHT AND TWISTIES

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Zore: You go guy!  BTW, what kind of cooky is Lucky promoting on the Dark Side?

WHAT?  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

H2O , I was told the RoadRider are replacing the "RoadRunners". Both being a higher mileage tire that the Super Venom. I had the SuperVenoms on my '82. Man they were great, truly stuck like glue. But now the '83 needs just the rear. So I will likely get the Pirelli as Visionless recommends. This should match the Pirelli "Match 09" I have on the front , for similar handling. Then hopefully the front & rear wear out at the same time...it will be Avon again for both ends.  Hey Visionless, Doesn't your Katana wear radials ???

It was one of the reasons I didn't want to get the super venoms.  I'd end up liking them and not be able to get them.  My friend uses bt45's on track days and says they work well enough.  It's a shame that we can't get tires like what is available for 17" wheels.  The tire technoligy these days is amazing.

Quote from: jasonm. on July 07, 2007, 02:38:34 PM
Hey Visionless, Doesn't your Katana wear radials ???

The bias ply Sport Demons are an experiment on the Katana, but yes it came with radials.
     Chris

I THINK I HAVE THE SAME DUNLOP TIRES VISIONMEISTER HAS
I THINK

VisionMeister has Avon RoadRiders.  The RoadRiders took the place of both the Road Runners & the Super Venoms.  Like Metzeler, and their Lasertec,  Avon is trying to keep the inventory & manufacturing costs for older bias tires to a minimum.  With Avons, many of the sizes are used on either front or rear.  There are arrows showing direction of rotation for F or R position on the sidewall.  Kwells seems to like the RoadRider he has on the front of his V.

H₂O

I just checked Avon's web site. The Supervenom is now classified as "cruiser touring" model. Our sizes are still there. Take a look.

http://www.avon-tyres.co.uk/motorcycle/?page=tyres&method=listtyres&cat=2

yes, apparently they are (available in the UK) , but they seem to be "discontinued" here in the states....

just like h₂o says about the Metzelers... they are listed on the "home page" in our sizes, but don't seem to be available here...

What really gets me about the Metzelers is they say if it's listed on their US website, it's available here.  The Lasertec rear is listed in a 4.00-18, a 110/90-18 and a 120/90-18 on the US website.  However, nobody carries the 110/90-18 rear tire.  When I ordered the Super Venoms a couple years ago, I asked American Motorcycle Tire, Southwest Motorcycle Tire & Dennis Kirk about the availability of the Lasertec in the 110/90-18 rear size.  They all said it is not available from their distributor (likely Parts Unlimited).

When it comes time to get the new shoes for my V, I'll contact Metzeler directly to see what the problem is.

H₂O

What's wrong Zore, you have a problem with caps? ??? ??? ???

Most people have a harder time reading all caps.  They're a bit more difficult for my (just starting to age) eyes to follow easily.  Also, in normal web talk, all caps is the same as yelling when communicating with your analog voice.

Must bother him more than the rest of us - at least a little bit since he was the most blatant one to point it out.   ;)

H₂O

Well there you go. I it bothers him he must have a serious problem. I did no intend to bother him.

It's more a matter of "Netiquette".  Since we don't have anything but the typed words to use, there needs to be some way to tell when someone is yelling (all caps), or other ways to differentiate and accent the words.  Not a big deal.  Like I said earlier, for me anyway, all caps are harder to read.

We know that under most situations, nobody here intends to bother anyone else.   ;D  The ROV boards have a history of very civil behavior.  Amazingly, it seems to mirror the people when you get to meet in person.  From my limited web forum experience, it is the friendliest place I've found.

H₂O

good thing the net doesnt mirror the smells our ROV counterparts themselves emit.  Is it good etiquette to walk away from the laptop when I let one go?

Is Kevin "gassing it" again?  Remember.....You're supposed to walk away FIRST!

Quote from: abogado68 on July 07, 2007, 11:47:30 PM
What's wrong Zore, you have a problem with caps? ??? ??? ???

No, my caps lock works just fine.  I synced it to my shift key just last week.   ;D  Lighten up Frances, I'm just having some fun.

You're right 110/90 listed for the back. The front was increased to 100.
Must be my faulty memory.
A 120/80 would have a lower profile than the 110/90...96mm tall vs 99 mm tall. I've run both without any negative consequences.

O.k Zore, by the way my name is Raúl Miranda, not Frances, and I'm a criminal defense attorney who specializes in organize crime (cartel's).

On another issue, my partner took out the vision for a ride, and the followin is what he found. What do you guys recommend?



The front brakes are spongy and yet they don't pump up. It feels like when I stop the F-350 Ford with the mog trailer. The truck and trailer stops slowly.



I am inclined to think that the front hose should be replaced. Overtime rubber brakelines will swell and close down.  I pull on the brake lever and it goes almost to the handle bar and the bike does not quickly slow down like it should.



I checked the pads and they are of course new. I'll just bleed them the brake system and see if the brake comes up hard at the lever. If not I'll replace the front brake hose (rear is a steel rod) and rebuild the caliper and replace the caliper seals.



The front brake has to stop the m/c on a dime. Although it is just one caliper, it still has to pull hard to a stop.

I believe the 'lighten up francis' is from Stripes if I'm not mistaken.  These brakes arent really good on the 82's. Stainless steel lines help out drastically as well as sometimes the needed master cylinder rebuild and/or caliper rebuild. 

"Lighten up, Francis" is from Stripes.  The Seargent Hulka says that after one of the new recruits goes on a verbal rampage: "My name is Francis, but call me Psycho.  Call me Francis & I'll kill you.  Touch my stuff & I'll kill you."  Sgt. Hulka replies; "Lighten up, Francis."

The 82 brakes can be made to function well.  Like kwells said - braided stainless line at a minimum.  Rebuild the master is second.  At a minimum, take the caliper apart & clean all the parts very well, then reassemble.  If any parts are damaged, get a rebuild kit (piston & seals) from Yamaha.  Use new disc brake grease on the slides when reassembling.  then fill with new DOT 3 or 4 fluid & bleed well.  Speedbleeders & a source of vacuum makes bleeding an easy job.

H₂O

 8) S.S. Braided Brake line for an '82...Tadaaaa

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YAMAHA-VISION-550-1982-GALFER-FRONT-1-SS-BRAKE-LINE-KIT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35592QQihZ014QQitemZ330140037647QQrdZ1

..One of the best upgrades for your Vision 8)

                       

Quote from: abogado68 on July 09, 2007, 08:36:44 PM
O.k Zore, by the way my name is Raúl Miranda, not Frances, and I'm a criminal defense attorney who specializes in organize crime (cartel's).

This is a quote from movie Stripes.  Maybe you've seen it?  ;D

Quote from: abogado68 on July 09, 2007, 08:36:44 PM
On another issue, my partner took out the vision for a ride, and the followin is what he found. What do you guys recommend?



The front brakes are spongy and yet they don't pump up. It feels like when I stop the F-350 Ford with the mog trailer. The truck and trailer stops slowly.

I am inclined to think that the front hose should be replaced. Overtime rubber brakelines will swell and close down.  I pull on the brake lever and it goes almost to the handle bar and the bike does not quickly slow down like it should.

It's 3 foot piece of 25 year old rubber tubbing that you are applying a fair amount of  pressure too.  Replace it with a steel line and you'll be good to go.

Wow, I shoudl have read everyone's reply.  I could have just said "h2olayer said".

Thank's guys. Hopefully this week the brake system will be pulled apart. Sorry for the delay in aswering, but just as I got home I found out that somebody broke in. In mexico there is a copper tube fenomena. Since copper is so expensive, and in all the houses here copper tubes are used, they steal copper tubes and then sell them, when that is done, you are left without running water and propane gas. This happened to me sadly, even though I live in a upper class neighborhood, that is, mostly doctors, cpa's and attorneys. There is a sayin here in Mexico "ladron que roba ladron tiene 100 años de perdon."

A Thief who steal from a thief has a 100 years of forgiveness. That's for us lawyers.

they broke in and stole your copper? 

Yes. the copper tubes or pipes are used for plumbing and gas for the kitchen stove. But copper is very expensive, a meter long tube runs about $50 dls.

Last one. 10 points for the Stripes reference!

Well the plumbing is back in order again, I can finally shower. This week will be brake week for the vision. My partner will tear the brake system apart and rebuild it. We will also get new tires, because they are shot. The tires are the original ones, they are brand new, no wear, but they are severly cracked. I'm getting the bike ready because by the end of the month I shall be in SFO, Ca., and hopefully riding.

Dont put copper braided lines on your bike dude :o!

Nope they will probably get ripped off down here :D :D