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Anyway to get a 96 cbr600 caliper to fit on a 82?
« on: July 10, 2019, 02:21:45 PM »
I bought a caliper from a 96 cbr 600 to swap onto my 82 vision. But being the retard i am didn't think about the differences in mounting screw holes. Anyone know of a bracket that would make it work?

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Re: Anyway to get a 96 cbr600 caliper to fit on a 82?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2019, 05:36:31 PM »
That is a tough one. There are adapters available for some blue spot and gold spot calipers but it has to do with mounting bolt spacing. How much do you have invested in the caliper you have?
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Re: Anyway to get a 96 cbr600 caliper to fit on a 82?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2019, 06:28:07 PM »
If you are going to modify your brakes/braking system I suggest you study the physical parts and direction of forces before bolting anything on your bike.  You should have a good understanding of how it all works, the forces involved, clearances needed, etc. because it MUST work properly.  One important aspect is the ratio of master cylinder diameter compared to the caliper piston(s) diameter.  This has a great deal of effect on how the brake lever feels when in use.  There is a chart and article on this subject that I posted previously, but this is not new news as the engineers that design these systems know and understand how important a good "feeling" is for providing feedback to the rider.  If the master cylinder piston is too large the brake will feel very stiff and wooden, if it is too small the brakes will feel like power brakes but you can run out of lever travel before strong braking can occur.  Little things like this are what make the difference between 'perfection' and problematic.
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Re: Anyway to get a 96 cbr600 caliper to fit on a 82?
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2019, 09:47:15 AM »
If you are going to modify your brakes/braking system I suggest you study the physical parts and direction of forces before bolting anything on your bike.  You should have a good understanding of how it all works, the forces involved, clearances needed, etc. because it MUST work properly.  One important aspect is the ratio of master cylinder diameter compared to the caliper piston(s) diameter.  This has a great deal of effect on how the brake lever feels when in use.  There is a chart and article on this subject that I posted previously, but this is not new news as the engineers that design these systems know and understand how important a good "feeling" is for providing feedback to the rider.  If the master cylinder piston is too large the brake will feel very stiff and wooden, if it is too small the brakes will feel like power brakes but you can run out of lever travel before strong braking can occur.  Little things like this are what make the difference between 'perfection' and problematic.

And don't forget the pads. They can make the difference in a system. I like to have a high mechanical advantage (smaller master) with a sintered pad. Sintered pads have a very linear feel but work better after they are operated (heated) a bit. An organic pad provides a less abrupt response. Metallic and semi-metallic have their character as well. There is also material compatibility. Cast iron rotors work better with some pads. In other cases a stainless steel rotor.

So the bracket is just the beginning.
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Re: Anyway to get a 96 cbr600 caliper to fit on a 82?
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2019, 08:00:34 AM »

And don't forget the pads. They can make the difference in a system. I like to have a high mechanical advantage (smaller master) with a sintered pad. Sintered pads have a very linear feel but work better after they are operated (heated) a bit. An organic pad provides a less abrupt response. Metallic and semi-metallic have their character as well. There is also material compatibility. Cast iron rotors work better with some pads. In other cases a stainless steel rotor.

So the bracket is just the beginning.

Don't forget about ceramic pads.  Brembo ceramics are available in our pad size.  They are supposed to be generally better all round, and are only marginally dearer.  Not tried them out yet.

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Re: Anyway to get a 96 cbr600 caliper to fit on a 82?
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2019, 09:15:18 PM »

Don't forget about ceramic pads.  Brembo ceramics are available in our pad size.  They are supposed to be generally better all round, and are only marginally dearer.  Not tried them out yet.

Good point. Sometimes just getting a good pad/rotor combo on the stock caliper can help.

I'd like to upgrade to dual rotor but the right hand for lowers seem to be quite scarce.
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