Ready to POR, still rust in tank

[YellowJacket!]

These posts are so entertaining!  Thanks, Tiff!!!

David - Those three day paper binges can be done in a day - research included.  Been there, done that (successfully) several times.  Remember - Never put off until tomorrow what can be done next week!

H₂O

Glad I could give you guys a giggle. Dave... you can do it.. I once wrote a 22 page paper in a span of about 3 days. Not fun, not fun at all. I did many 4-5 page papers in a few hours.. those aren't fun either.
Yes, wore the respirator.. didn't fancy odd colored boogers for days.
Next question... is there a special hose that has to be used for the vent lines off the carb and fuel tank or will any plastic hose of that size work? I'm going to replace them but need to know if the stuff from Lowe's will work or if I need to order special stuff. Although it would be in my typical style to put the wrong stuff on there and end up with a melty goo pile under the bike after a few days.   :D

DONE!!  In record time!  (11:30am to 7:30pm)

14 page paper (not including cover sheet and 2 pages of citations) AND.... 14 slide PowerPoint presentation!

Now, if y'all will scuse me, I have a rather large margarita to drink in celebration.  ;D

David

YEEEEEHHHHHAAAAAAA!  Being the overachiever that I am, I ended up with a 100% on the paper!  The next closest grade was an 86.  Finished out my leadership class with a 4.0 with only one assignment to go.

And now back to our regularly scheduled tiffinator post.  ;D

David

[h2olawyer]

Just proves that smart people own Visions!  Congrats, Dave!

H₂O

[smknjoe1964]

some off the carbs Ive done had those spring loaded needle valve tops on em .I sprayed carb cleaner from a can right on the top of them and let them soak and made sure they worked well with little resistance when they spring back up before I put em back in .You did pull the needle seat vavle and inspect the o ring ?

[Tiger]

 :) Hey Tiff...Look wot N_V found...

http://ridersofvision.net/forum/zindex.php?topic=7700.0

...Landed on your doorstep for a wee bit less than $100.00 8)

          8).......TIGER....... 8)

[YellowJacket!]

heh heh heh...  More fumes for tiff to inhale.  (Body Filler) ;D

David

[Tiffanator]

Ooooo... veeeery interesting. First thing that happens is a red flag goes up on why its so cheap?  Looking at the pic looking down into it looks like it has rust, doesn't mean its bad rust, but you never know with the corners.  Next, that dent looks pretty nasty. Probably won't be pulling that out with the Ding King.
Thanks for the link guys, but I'm pretty wary of a tank that usually goes for 350-500 bucks that's buy it now for 17.99. As sweet as it looks I just don't want to end up with another problem tank to fix... although I could fix it then keep it in stock for the next poor sucker who gets a bike with Satan Tank like mine. If I could see this tank... or maybe read the description... I would feel much better about it... but knowing what I know now.. that little bit of rust in the tank means there ARE pinholes somewhere, its just the paint may be covering them up right now.  :-\
That and... I just bought christmas presents for everyone and I'm broke.. haha. Dang it.
Oh.. and I still do get to work with body filler dave... hahaha... good times. 
Tiff

[Tiffanator]

Oh.. and Dave... CONGRATS on the paper. Good job man. You should feel very proud.
Ok... I sent the guy a question asking if the tank had any holes or rust. We'll see what he says. I put the description through babelfish and it said the tank was stainless steel inside.

[inanecathode]

I think my reading comprehension isnt where it should be, but whats wrong with the tank you have? I pulled several holes in the tank thats on my green bike with my stud gun (giant holes, like 1/8th of an inch around) and just used a generic 5 minute clear epoxy i got from ace to seal it over. After slathering on a layer of the epoxy and letting it cure, i went about sealing the tank with por. Working fine to this day.
I also had some major rustage with my project tank (that i may or may not have up for sale thats already pored, sanded to the metal) that i was able to patch with the same clear epoxy.

If you still can't fix the tank you have, i have the one i mentioned sitting in my shed sanded to the metal (and incedentally partially clear coated) pin holes sealed, and pored, with a cap and key, and without a single dent or damage of any kind other than very slight surface rust that honestly i'd just paint over anyway.

Lemme know what you want to do. 

[GT @ oh.]

Question here......got a tank here that looks to have been lined has a silverey color sealer (POR?)......but its not smooth..... like its been sealed over serious rust......and..... it has rusted out at the rear corners.....my q is... Is there any chance of stripping sealer and rust out of this tank or am I up against what you were Tiff?

[kwells]

GT if that were my tank and it was sealed over rust...I'd probably do nothing until the rust posed a problem.  Most likely it is POR15 but I believe caswell has a similar product. Both are hard to remove once dried.

[Tiffanator]

Inane... if my assumptions are correct then yes, that tank is painfully similar to what I have going with mine... however I haven't heard back from the seller, so it may just be some minor surface rust inside the tank with no pinholes. If that is the case then a quick once over with the POR-15 tank sealer kit would solve the problem for good... and someone could have a good tank for a cheap price.  I'm really hoping that I finally have mine fixed... it holds fuel now so that's a really good thing. Its just a matter of sanding down the epoxy putty so it looks good but doesn't allow leaks again.
GT... the sealer in my tank appears to be kinda rough because there was still some rust in the tank when I put it in. So far it is holding up with no problems, now its only been in there about a month so we'll see. If it has rusted out at the corners then you do have problem. If it is POR-15 they have a stripper that will remove their product, you may want to start there. What I did was smother the rusted out corners with epoxy putty so it would hold fluid. I made a seal for the petcock and filler hole using some rubber and 1/4 plywood. Once I did that it was decently easy. If you get another POR-15 kit it comes with fluids that you put in to get the rust out and prep the tank for the sealer. Your tank may have not been prepped correctly the first time it was lined so now its failed.
Eventually I'll do everything wrong that I can possibly do wrong with my tank and figure out the best way to do things... then everyone can send me their tank and I'll clean and line it... haha.

[Tiger]

 8) Tiff' the Gas Tank Specialist...Hmmmmmm, sounds good to me... 8)

[Tiffanator]

Oh my... not sure if I'll ever deserve the title of specialist. 
I heard back from the guy with the ebay tank N_V found... he said there is no rust inside the tank, but there is a hole where the dent and rust on the outside of the tank is. He's sending me more pictures.
However, I'm about to embark on a project that may make the expensive and unreliable metal tank a thing of the past.

[Brian Moffet]

Oh my... not sure if I'll ever deserve the title of specialist. 

Sorry Tiff,

Specialist is not something you attempt to become, it usually comes about because you do something that you care about so much, that you have more information in your head than anyone else around.   :)

Brian

[inanecathode]

Tiff is going to cast a poly tank. Go tiff go!

[Night Vision]

I heard back from the guy with the ebay tank N_V found... he said there is no rust inside the tank, but there is a hole where the dent and

??? sheez, that wasn't in das dascription  >:(    I'm glad you asked, I'm just too damn trusting  :-[

Tiff is going to cast a poly tank. Go tiff go!

I think she was talking carbon fiber awhile back...

[Lucky]

I was tossing around the idea of incorperating  some kind of translucent strip on the side of the tank, same material that 2 cycle fuel tanks are made of. you can see thru this material to guage your fuel level.
I was thinking spmewhere around 3/8 - 1/2 inch wide with a flange to make it replacable or at least cleanable...  if your going to do the tank in carbon fiber it would be an easy mod, but admitedly unsightly...

if there was a truly clear alternative to the whiteish plastic, it would have to have a polished background like the brake fluid & oil sight glasses.

perhaps incorperated behind the knee crease?

fuel for thought...

[Tiffanator]

Inane... you'll have to wait and see. I'm not telling anything til I get going on it and see if its going to work. I'm in the research phase right now.
N_V... yes, I didn't notice that there was a hole, glad I asked. From the pics it just looks like a deep dent.. even with translating it in Babelfish there was no mention of a hole.
Lucky... very interesting concept. If you have some sort of clear material to guage fuel level you are going to be dealing with something else to seal up liquid tight.. and fuel tends to leak much faster than a thicker substance like oil or brake fluid.. maybe that's just my thinking. I'll look into it though. It would for sure be a great addition to the tank.
Wait and see.

[inanecathode]

Lol dude i was right.
Crap i should set up a gypsy wagon and predict the future ^-^

[Tiger]

8) Tiff' the Gas Tank Specialist...... 8)

:)Once again...Sounds good to me... 8)

                   8).......TIGER....... 8)