sonsoflibertyriders.com

[funkamongus]

New club, Brand new. Maybe it can mean something in the long run?? Im in.

[Brian Moffet]

American Sons of Liberty, the ones that claim that Pelosi, Obama, and others are all attempting to move the US to socialism?  Organized the "tea party" protesting income taxes?  Are currently organizing the march on Washington (also known as Glenn Beck's 9/12 project?)

Not my type of group.  

[h2olawyer]

Thanks for the heads up, funk!

H₂O

[funkamongus]

exactly my type of group.

[inanecathode]

I didnt know neo-cons actually had the facilities to ride motorcycles!!!!

Bombs away!

[funkamongus]

Surely youre not calling me a neo-con, if so, you've mislabeled me.

[inanecathode]

Surely youre not calling me a neo-con, if so, you've mislabeled me.

Nope, aimed at noone at particular, hence the bombs away :P

[funkamongus]

Looking at this site more closely. I see where other "agencies" are posting their "blogs" and "info", etc. I see some where they say 9-11 was an inside job, etc. I dont have as much info as I would like because, frankly, I was unaware nearly all my life. On purpose. But, I dont wanna be lead, or point others, down a wrong path. Im with Carl. AND I QUOTE "If their ideas are about restoring American ideals where everyone who is physically able works for a living, takes care of their family, accepts responsibility for their own actions, steps forward when the country is attacked by enemies domestic or foreign then I'm in." It seems like the "news" feeds arent controlled by the site,, just linked, but I wonder where the heads are, or will be.
On the subject, where can a guy like me, still naked and soaked, with holes in his head and arms, really find out how deep the rabbit hole goes? Im not "neo", Im only barely "mouse", but I dont want to be mislead anymore. Where are the blue pills located?? Im sure theyre here on the web somewhere.

[Brian Moffet]

Start by asking yourself, what do You want this country to be?  Do not ask yourself "Do I agree with what they want this country to be" because they can't define everything.  What you have posted is a nice little package, but does not cover the entire story.  (Not meaning to attack them, you'll find this on the left and the right)

Then think of the ramifications of what you want.  Imagine the boundaries of what you're looking for.  As an example:

"where everyone who is physically able works for a living"

What is a "living?" Does it include retirement?  Does it include health care?  Does it include living where they want to?

What if someone is not physically able to work for a living?  How do they survive? If they get into an accident, how will they pay their medical bills?

What if there is a flood or fire or famine, what happens to the people who are out of work?  What is their "living?"

There is no way to try and see "how deep the rabbit hole goes" and remaining purposefully unaware.

And then read.  Listen.  Search out information.  Question. Accept that it is okay to be wrong, and to change your mind.

My partial definition for what I want?

I want a country where people can and do work for a living
I want a country where people take responsibility for their actions
I want a country where people do not fear accidents or illness pushing them into poverty
I want a country where people are able to pursue "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" even if they are unable to work
I want a country where people do not have to fear for their lives when they go outside their houses.

Brian

[Brian Moffet]

Oh yes, and I want a country where people care about their country, respect their country, and their fellow people.

[funkamongus]

I like your additions. Id like to add a few more.
Id like to live where the best person for the job gets it.
Id like to live where you dont have to be afraid to pick up the soap, because everyone in the government and on TV, lie to you to further their own agenda and simply cant be trusted.
I would like to have lived where they actually teach you to think for yourself instead of teaching you filtered versions of what the books said and what they thought, which may or may not have been correct.
Id like to live in a country where I could afford to go to that school.
Id like to live in a country with less government and less taxes and more getting done, because of less bureaucracy, less waste, and less posturing.
WE,, right here in America, right now, have it better than anyone anywhere else. Aint perfect, but its still the best. I hope we dont lose sight of that and fix her til shes broke.

[Brian Moffet]

My items were not additions to what you posted.  They are my definitions.  I don't add on to someone elses.  I have to own my own definitions, not borrow someone elses.  Otherwise I am merely following someone else.

Now take what you have and start exploring what it actually means.  Start testing the limits of the items, and who has to drop off or change their lives.  Start questioning your own thoughts.   Especially the last statement.  Is it actually true for everything?  If it is not, what can be done to make it true for everything.

I wish you the best of luck, it's not necessarily easy.

[funkamongus]

thats not what I meant. Im not making a list for anyone else either,, just expressing myself so I can see it and make sense of it.   

[QBS]

I would like those who have sworn on the Bible to protect and uphold The Constitution of my country to actually do it.

[funkamongus]

maybe what I should have said was, I cant disagree with any of that.

[Re-Vision]

Oh yes, and I want a country where people care about their country, respect their country, and their fellow people.

Brian,
Sounds to me like you want what politicians can't give. I want a world where all human beings care about their Creator,respect the earth and all living things on it.  People have requested God's Kingdom every time they recite The Lord's Prayer at Matthew 6:10, "Let Thy Kingdom come".  Seven million of we Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide come knocking at your doors trying to explain that it is coming soon and how all can share in that Kingdom.  Sadly most are too busy to listen. But here be Visionaries. BDC

[Brian Moffet]

Sounds to me like you want what politicians can't give.

Never said this was all about politics  ;)

Call it a foundation that influences my politics.  And I've never recited the Lords Prayer. 

[QBS]

Fear not.  There is still time.