Riders Of Vision

 :) I had decided that after five rebuilds this past winter, enough was enough... until winter returns...no more major work for me, just running repairs, were needed...after all, its riding' time 8)
       
My youngest brother (fortysomething) went out a couple of weeks ago, and bought himself a new DRZ400 Suzi'...a dual sport type.
Months ago, I had floated the idea of building a Vision with my middle brother (Forty something, nearly 50!!!)...because his oldest son had picked up an '8? Ninja, which needed some (read a lot) of TLC to get her back up and road worthy...and Peter (my brother) and his boy had completed the rebuild together...a good father/son bonding exercise.

On Sunday Peter and I started the building/bonding exercise...Number twentyone...now stands on my shop floor...A proud day for me...  8)

We pulled out a clear titled frame, that I picked up a few years back from a Yam' dealer and an engine from 'under the bench'...which we found to be seized solid...oops!!! I pulled out another one, that I got from Wolf a while back and we did the starter clutch 'fix', installed another stator, tightened the balancer nut, installed a good set of carb manifold boots, new spark plugs, etc, etc.

This afternoon, we got the motor in the frame, along with the rear swing arm/drive unit, a rear wheel with a recently serviced brake drum assembly was installed, a rear shock fitted, a brake bar which had been sand blasted and repainted black was also installed. We then hauled her up on to the centre stand with a jack under the front of the engine... 8)

The old steering head races/ball bearings were removed and new races/ tappered bearings replaced these... 8)

So a special numbered Vision is now under way, for a great guy. I'm looking forward to riding, at some point this year, with my two brothers... 8)

           

In the time it takes me to motivate myself to WORK on my bike, you've rebuilt three!  8)

David

Rest up a little and enjoy riding Tiger, you've earned it and maybe we'll hear more from you. Wish I had some of your get-up-and-go. I've got two brothers that ride but they're not very close (Houston) so I envy you getting to ride with family.     BDC

Well done buddy.Truly some great riding ahead for you.

Excellent. Can't wait to see the bike when you are done :)

this should be interesting.... is he an animal like you?

take lots-o-pics!!!!

Quoteand an engine from 'under the bench'

Sounds like a magical bench to me...where can I get one?

 :) Well, in one short week, we have gone from a bunch of spare parts, (a spare engine, frame, swing arm/drive unit, seat, gauges, wire harness, etc, etc), to an almost complete Vision :o

She now stands on her own 'two feet' and is 90%+ complete... :o ;)

CanadianLou is sorting out a set of carbs, so we should be able to get this mix 'n match, once upon a time, boxes of spare parts, old girl running pretty soon 8)

               

I must say, you are an inspiration to us all.  Keep up the good work and we will be cheering! :laugh: ;D :) ;)

 :) Thanks fret... 8)

vadasz1 has the gas tank in hand...repair and repaint needed...and Canadian_Lou is doing a set of carbs for her. Then its down hill all the way 8)

               

 :) Hmmmmm, a few steps forward and back... :o ::)

Sadly the company vadasz1 is with, have informed him they are closed :o so fixin' & painting are on hold. However, vadasz1 getting another job, so he can look after his wife and two kids, is way more important at this time...best of luck buddy.

I installed an '83 front end, forks, calipers, rotors, master cylinder and brake lines (oem for now!!). I changed out the master cylinder after bleeding the brakes, as I could bleed them off but had no pressure...no big deal. A good front tire/rim and was also installed. Gotta wait for Canadian_Lou to return from Italy before we get a set of carbs to install...so that will be another week or so :'( ... never mind.

She's coming along...slow but sure 8)

               

Quote from: Tiger on August 02, 2010, 02:51:14 PM


She's coming along...slow but sure

 

no prob... long as she's ready by September  ;)

I can hear her purring now.

 :) I spent six hours or so, on Sunday, stripping the crappy paint off of a good gas tank I had in the loft ::) :P Once bare and checked over for any rust spots/pin holes, I put on several coats of industrial grade gray primer and a couple of coats of industrial grade, high solids, gloss black. Left it over night to cure and...Voila!!! #21 now sports a nice looking gas tank...not paint perfect, but hey... 8)

All she needs now is a clean set of carbs and she will be up and running... :P

               

Carbs are done  :o ....stop crying  :'(!

Quote from: Cdnlouie on August 19, 2010, 01:26:42 AM
Carbs are done  :o ....stop crying  :'(! 

:)...Only tears of join my friend 8) SUPERB, thank you...from both my brother, (who will be the recipient of this Vision), and I 8).

Once again, the OnROV team effort shines through like Polaris ;) 8)

It will be, hmmmm....interesting, (to say the least!!!), to find out what this old girl will run like, given that she was built out of my parts bins!!! :o

                 

QuoteIt will be, hmmmm....interesting, (to say the least!!!), to find out what this old girl will run like, given that she was built out of my parts bins!!! 

Given the care that went into the project, she will most likely exceed the sum of her parts!

 :) Shes ALIVE...muhahahahahaha...ALIVE I tell you  :o :P... 8)

Initially she wouldn't start ::) in fact she didn't even hic'...no sir. Turned out we had no spark!!! A fiddle with this, a change that and...nope!!! grrrrrrrrrr....it was a bad module behind the TCI side ::) Changed that out, hit the start button and up she started, smooth as you like. No undue rattles or clanks coming from anywere. However, the neutral and oil light's stay on. Put her in gear and the idiot light stays illuminated bright Green!!!...Rev her up to around 3,500 RPM and the oil light goes out, below that and its a constant 'RED'... :-\ Ah well, tomorrows another day...4.30 a.m. comes around real quick in these parts ;)...Good night all!!!

             

I was once told, long ago and far away, by an experienced and winning V race tuner, that when the oil light comes on at idle the end is near.  If it doesn't go away until 3.5k rpm, the end must be very near indeed.

Tiger, I can send the shop manual back to you. ; :oD  At least you know you have most of the parts to make it work because it ran if only for a short while!

 :) Well, with very little to loose, I fired her up and let her run for 10 minutes, (at which point she was hot and the rad fan had kicked in). The RED idiot light still burning bright, (as was and GREEN one when I put the "V" in gear for a couple of minutes!!).

There was NO adverse reaction during all this time, which leads me to think that there may well be a short somewhere in the system... ::)

         

Have you tried swapping out the Oil Pressure Switch?     BDC

Do both sensors complete the circuit to ground?

Quotewhich leads me to think that there may well be a short somewhere in the system..

That seems quite possible. They're both on the same side of the motor and run together through the same wire guides, etc. Maybe both wires have exposed strands through worn insulation?  Pinched?

I have an oil pressure gauge  :) kicking around here somewhere if you want to test the pressure.... or you could take it out on the road and red line it  :o in every gear...guaranteed to produce results  ::).  It does seem like a wiring issue though on those two "idiot" gauges  ;D.

Great job to get to this point!

Quote from: Re-Vision on August 25, 2010, 08:54:05 AM
Have you tried swapping out the Oil Pressure Switch?     BDC

:) Been there, done that...no difference.

Quote from: Cdnlouie on August 25, 2010, 10:38:09 AM
I have an oil pressure gauge  :) kicking around here somewhere if you want to test the pressureGreat job to get to this point!

Hmmmm, that might just be the way to go...Thank you.

           

There is no substitute for a real live oil pressure readout.  Also investigate wiring mistakes.  They've been known to happen before.  Who knows how inept the last person to connect the sender unit and neutral switch was.

Ten minutes of running with no oil pressure would kill a plain bearing motor so there must be some pressure. Couldn't a vom meter be used as a quick test to see if the sending unit works? Disconnect the wire and replace it with one lead, the other to the engine (ground). Engine off, closed. Engine running, open. If the sending unit passes the test, oil pressure is within it's parameters and the wiring would then be suspect.

 :) Well, after some stop/start/stop/start goings on, she is finally ready for a road safety certificate 8) 8)
                   
I swapped out the oil pump and seal...problem solved  8) The 'Green' light problem was a nicked and grounded wire...cut out and graft in a new wire and connector...VOILA!!!

However, the main problem that arose was when I tried to install the nicely painted (read rattle can!!) Gloss Black gas tank and recovered seat...The seat would not go right into place and lock!!! WTF!!!!!!
It turns out that this frame is not straight.......AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH F**K!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmmmmmmm, I have another frame but with wrecked swing arm bearings...OK, new swing arm bearings and spacers were ordered up...with shipping from Florida = $59.92. The frame was cleaned up and repainted Gloss Black...Now, I just need those bearings to arrive... ::)

On Sunday, I stripped out the whole bike...everything... down to the last nut and bolt and transferred everything, except the rear swing arm (still awaiting bearings!!) on to the 'new' frame.
I lifted the 'new' frame over the engine (as it was on the floor) and bolted her up. Centre stand down and haul the Vision up right with a bike/ATV jack under her. I took the whole front end, (forks, wheel, fender brakes, etc, etc), out of the frame and slid it all right in to the 'new' frame without missing a beat LOL. Yes, new steering head tapered bearings are installed  ;) The swing arm was repainted Gloss Black...nothing else to do!!!

Monday...and the swing arm bearings arrived...YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 8)

Over the next couple of days, bearings, swing arm, etc, etc were all installed, as was the rear wheel (with its nice new tire), Aluminum side plates, (bead blasted and clear coated), foot pegs, gear shift, foot brake, etc, etc.

Yesterday, I filled her with fresh gas and...Ahhh shit, a gas leak from the petcock!!!!!!! Empty tank, remove and rebuild said offending petcock from whatever parts I had in the bins ::)

Its ALL now back together and running as sweet as sugar...with a newly installed Wolf exhaust system  :o ;)

I think my brother is coming down tonight...So there is a pleasant suprise awaiting him... 8)

cool! will he be joining the festivities?

Quote from: Night Vision on September 16, 2010, 05:13:16 PM
cool! will he be joining the festivities?

If he gets his license and insurance, then maybe  :-\ Oh...and providing she goes through the safety O.K... ;) ;)

Wow...now wonder you have been keeping a low profile this week! What a marathon of parts swapping!  "Amazing grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me!"  :angel: That kinda works for you Tiger... I know it works for me.

 :) A low profile is right, head down and a$$ up in the shop trying to complete this wee girl for my brother...but he is worth all the effort... 8)

Peter came down last night, expecting to start the swap out... ;) Man was he surprised to see #21 standing there complete and shining like a new silver dollar against a dark background  :o 8) LOL.

I have to try and get her down to T.O. for a safety today (in between work!!)... :o ::)

             

 :) Last night, in the bar at the Canadian Legion, (with Canadian_Lou, Night_Vision, Joe_Vacc, Watson, Big Barry and 'art as a welcoming crew), we presented Peter with his Vision ownership, Road safety certificate & Vision key.

After all the ale we all drank, riding was certainly NOT an option. I think that after their rides to get here today, Night_Vision, Joe_Vacc & Watson, were just happy to chill out with a few many, wobbly pops!!!

Welcome to the crew Peter... 8)

Before this season is through, it would be nice to ride with my two brothers...for the very first time!!  8)

             

Come on folks lets get moving

 :) Peter should have the insurance, plates, license, etc sorted tomorrow...so this little lady, made from the various spare part's that I had in the shop, will soon be going to her new home  8)

Picture's to follow...(sent to my editor!! LOL).

               

wow, believe it or not, the last pics I posted were No.16  :o


so... here's the little mongrel

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Looks nice Tiger, I especially like the mufflers and fuse holders. What is that Yamaha device on the front fender?    BDC

Quote from: Re-Vision on September 20, 2010, 08:32:02 PM
Looks nice Tiger, I especially like the mufflers and fuse holders. What is that Yamaha device on the front fender?    BDC

Thanks BDC...The exhaust system is a rare 'Wolf' unit. I have no idea what the Yamaha logo on the tip of the front fender came off of...it was on there when I acquired all the plastics from 'Blurred Vision' a long while back.

                 
ps Thanks also go to Night_Vision...my editor-in-chief!!!

looks like my girl has an evil (goth) twin with an amazing exhaust system

 :) I'm truly amazed at what we have achieved, given that all of the parts came from a variety of Vision's!!! The frame came from 'Raj, the engine from Wolf's original '82 Vision, the black 'plastics' (complete with flames and skulls!!) from Blurred Vision, the seat cover from Night_Vision, etc, etc...all bought/swapped/traded/given over the years  8)

New parts consisted of: 2 x tires, spark plugs/wires/caps, steering head tapered bearings, swing arm bearings/spacers, in-line gas filter, all the vacuum/fuel lines, headlight bulb, Amber coloured dash bulbs, engine oil/filter, air filter, rear drive oil, coolant, fork oil/seals, positive/negative wires, left side engine cover gasket, all the other light bulbs were replaced with new and a variety of nuts/bolts/washers/cotter pins, etc were replaced with new...I'm may have forgotten some bits LOL.

I'm sure that once Peter gets her home, he will add his own touches/changes to her... 8)

                             

I was impressed with the finished product Tiger!  That bike is definitely well above average  :o and a final finish coat of paint (the easiest of things to do by a decent paint shop), would put that bike is the totally beautiful category.  You have woven the experience and techniques of over 20 Vision resurrections and it really shows.

Looking forward to riding with your brother  ;D,

Cecil... Some people actually like more than one colour on their bikes :!!!!\ :P

I think that suggestion had more to do with the partial custom paint job rather than color of fairing or sidecovers.    BDC

Very nice! The original tool bag is a nice touch but no strap? I like the fork brace a lot and how the exhaust allows the drive unit to be unobscured. Is that the "Sport" fairing?

Yes, that is the 1/4 Yamaha sport fairing

Quote from: Re-Vision on September 21, 2010, 12:15:55 PM
I think that suggestion had more to do with the partial custom paint job rather than color of fairing or sidecovers.    BDC

Sorry, should have clarified.. Inside joke... every time he sees my bike he tells me to get a proper paint job... The man likes a clean bike... and boy your should see his!!!

i could use the stator cover as a shaving mirror

Quote from: Rikugun on September 21, 2010, 10:15:52 PM
...but no strap?

:) Yes there is...I had it off at that point...but has now been added...  ;)
       
Regarding the paint work...
The only part that is 'rattle can' is the gas tank. The original gas tank, which was painted to match the plastics, suffered badly, after a couple of years sitting in a shed, during red hot summers and freezing cold winters, with a quarter tank of gas...the paint delaminated in large chunks...This will under go a respray, (Black Gloss), during the winter period but doesn't have a cat in hells chance of being matched to the plastics which where custom hand designed/painted..

The fairing was painted Metalic Silver, by vadazs1, in his shop for another Vision...however, I decided not to fit it at that time. This to will be resprayed Gloss Black, during the winter.

The rear foot pegs are off of an '8? Yamaha FZ/FZR, I think... :-\

Outstanding job Tiger!

David

Quote from: YellowJacket! on September 24, 2010, 11:44:51 AM
Outstanding job Tiger!

David

:) Thank you David, much appreciated.

Since the pictures I have also added, to the rear inner fender, the oem fuse box label that shows which fuse is for what...Glued it on and then put clear tape over to protect it.

I have also added a volt meter... :o ::)... ;)

 :) This wee girl won't see the road this year, so I delivered her to my brother to go in to his garage for the winter lay up. This also gives him time to get his bike license sorted for next spring ;)

It has been a real fun project to do with my brother... 8)

I'm looking forward to having him as a riding buddy next season... on his Vision built from a variety of different '82/'83 Vision parts laying around my shop... :o ;D :D :D :D :D... 8)

This winter will be spent on "The Mistress"...  8)

           

 :) My brother passed the riding test (M2) today, after a weekend attending the riders course... with a perfect score!!!!!!

So now that is out of the way for next season...

     

Now both of my brothers have acquired their bike licenses this year. Next season will be an even better year of riding... 8)

Awesome,well done!

Tiger we have the same tastes, the short front turn signals, black swing arm, and the rectifier is in the proper place.

Has your brother became a ROVer, if not, we hope to hear from him. Wonder if this one-ring circus can handle two tigers? Ha-Ha         BDC

Quote from: Re-Vision on November 18, 2010, 06:35:20 PM
Has your brother became a ROVer,

:) Hes a 'lurker'...

 :) #21 came by on Sunday to pay me a visit... 8)

Peter and I swapped out the master cylinder, which was causing some problems, for another one that I happen to have on the shelf :o ;D :D :D Capped off the YIC's unit and did a couple of bits and pieces to her.

Oh, we also had to drain the oil and change out the oil filter...as the crank case was awash with gas :o :o!!! The petcock was on prime over the winter and gas had leaked out on the floor but also into the motor!!!!!!!! Man, did that give the engine a good flush out ;D :D :D :D :D... ;)...it got rid of a lot of crap ::) Anyhooooo, we got her sorted and she is all ready for the season ahead.

I took her for a quick blast...runs really well.......for a Frankenstein creation!!! ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

                     

 :) Since my last post on this thread in April 2011, Peter and I have put on a few thousand great miles together. We also spent a great weekend riding around at Wolf's place in Quebec, that added a few more miles and smiles ;D :D :D :D :D :D 8)

#21 has also gone through several cosmetic changes 8) The sport fairing came off (and eventually went on to #22!!) and a black full fairing acquired from 'Raj, was installed. All the plastic covers were replaced with gloss black ones...and Peter added Gold pin stripes (shades of an American '83!!). Vintage hard bags, discarded by Peter's oldest boy from his Maxim, were added. A great saddle was found and mounted... 8)

With help from some odd plastics from my parts bins, Peter has repainted #21 in a Metalic Blue and Silver. Everything was done except the full fairing, which will get done very soon. 
I was up at his place on Sunday and helped swap out all the plastics and gas tank for the newly painted versions. The '82 footpegs/rear brake pedal/gear shifter were all swapped out for an '83 set.

Once she is all redone, further pictures will be added... 8) Look out for the '#21' touch that Peter has added to his rejuvenated old girl... ;) 8)

                 

The working season here, is spring and fall, it can be too cold to work in the shed ,in the winter and way too hot in the summer . unless you start at 11 pm.  I still have that dammed `CB 750 engine on my bench and until I finish it I can't start on the Vision . The VX is doing well , but needs a new fork seal on the left side. I tried for top speed on rt 66 near Seligman. Its around 5200  ft elevation, The VX 800 flattened out at the ton (100)  It just shows how great a performer the Vision is .

Boys will be boys, it sounds like you fellows are having a lot of fun! The second childhood begins for us all, as we dress up our Visions in different clothes everyday. Can't wait to see the final product in the spring.

Good to hear your still stirring the Pot Rick! Get to that 750 engine and let's hear her fire up.  Nothing like the bark of that old four banger single OHC, with a nice four into one header! I miss that sound so much. I just can't get into the sound of the modern fours.

Have fun fellows!   

What year is the 750?  My father has a 1970 I think.  It is a Pre-K. There were not very many with that designation, but he knows that engine inside and out, and has one on his stand right now as well. 

Tiger, lets see some pictures mate. Full fairing and all that

The CB750 is a 77 model . 77 and 78 year models have thinner compression  rings ,than the earlier production. There not available anywhere!  I'm going to attempt to chuck them up in a lathe and re cut the top two ring groves to match the older rings . I'm still trying to find a suitable plastic pipe to make a collett to protect the piston from the chuck.
I won't hear it until the owner installs it in the frame , i have only the engine , which is OK with me!  I never enjoyed reinstalling big fours back into the frame.