Where's my avatar gone?
Iain
NZ
Probably walked off with Roro's girl, it's missing also. If you don't find her try one of the McCarthy girl as she kooks nice. BDC
No doubt some religious twat complained to the RoV admin.
It's a shame really, especially when one can go into his or her profile and choose not to see avatars.
While I have asked people to police themselves on having work-safe avatars, I have not complained to the admins. I figure that's something that we can all agree on (or not and take appropriate actions like turning off seeing avatars).
iain , were you notified as to why the avatar was removed? You didn't indicate in your OP.
Nothing was sent to me so maybe admin didn't remove it , maybe she left me for another man or woman you never know now days ???
Iain
NZ
Iain, you starting a tool business? buddy, friend, old pal... ;D ;D ;) ;)
Have I mentioned how handsome you look today? lol
It seems unlikely she left for another man so I guess without being privy to the real reason I'm free to dabble in wild conjecture whilst remaining guilt free to it's validity! :o :)
To Brian's point, I have a fundamental difference of opinion. The interweb is (for the time being) like the wild west - largely untamed or regulated. If you go to a site you feel is inappropriate for your surroundings then you shouldn't be there. You chose to go there. No one has the god given right to go where and when they want on the net.
It seems presumptuous to ask the contributors of that site to make it comfortable for you. Especially when a simple tool is provided to ease your angst. Rather than avail yourself to that feature, the interweb should bend to your will? :police: Doesn't seem right to me but that's just my opinion. ;)
There are a couple of avatars that are a little more risque compared to the rest. Not something I'd choose but to each their own. Relative to what is acceptable based on the social mores of the times in which we find ourselves, I feel they are quite tame. I've seen more suggestive materials on TV, in print, and PG-13 movies.
I can see the other side of the coin just don't agree is all. So ends my lengthy dissertation regarding my 2 cents....... ;D
Sorry Lucky I am just finishing the tool business I have been doing that now for about 4 and a bit years, I have another job now with more stable income,,,
In your post you forgot to add [hung like a horse]
Iain
NZ
Hope we don't get any ROVers who want to post avatar pictures of their hung-like-a-horse boy friends. I suppose female ROVers may feel that way about their female counterparts. I try to judge what makes a tasteful avatar by thinking how I'd feel if it was my daughter in the picture. Wonder how folks would feel about a naked XZ550 on a XXX site? LOL Everyone needs to remember that it's very easy to turn the avatars off if you don't like them. BDC
Quote from: Rikugun on January 23, 2012, 01:47:38 PM
If you go to a site you feel is inappropriate for your surroundings then you shouldn't be there. You chose to go there. No one has the god given right to go where and when they want on the net.
It seems presumptuous to ask the contributors of that site to make it comfortable for you. Especially when a simple tool is provided to ease your angst. Rather than avail yourself to that feature, the interweb should bend to your will?
You miss my point. I can request it, I don't demand it.
And to argue against your point, one of the reasons that this group is so good to hang out with is that we are considerate of others opinions and beliefs. I am only specifying my opinion and belief on the appropriateness of the avatars.
If you don't like that I state my beliefs, then perhaps you should consider whether you want to be anywhere that I am (to carry your extremely bad wild-west metaphor to its logical conclusion). I will continue to state my beliefs, and if that bothers you, you should leave.
Brian
Come on Guys its not worth getting wound up over. we all have different opinions and views on what's appropriate and inappropriate and that will differ from country to country.
Iain
NZ
To be clear, I'm not wound up. I hope Rikugun doesn't leave, he has good information and is a member of this group. I do, however, think that he is being hypocritical in saying that the "wild-west" metaphor implies that I can't make a request for some appropriateness in avatars, yet he can request I shut down everyone's avatars because of a few risque ones.
Even the wild-west was a society, and societies work on compromise.
actualy, i think there is an option to turn off the avitars you see when your logged on, not for everyone. if i wasn't so lazy i'd check, lol
Yes, that's what I was thinking of as well. I prefer to see people's avatars. I also like reading this forum while I am at lunch or break at work.
might be an ad-on from simple machines to allow that...
You mean an add-on that lets you turn off individual avatars rather than all of them? BDC
yeah that's what i'm thinking..
we would have to ask Ron to look into it..
Or, something like an image filter that could be installed on the end users machine...
something like this perhaps: http://www.safesquid.com/html/portal.php?page=80
I thought the wild west analogy was pretty good. ;) And why would I leave? That's just silly. I think you may be projecting as to whose feelings are hurt.
There are some inaccuracies in your response but I don't feel it's worth pursuing. Just know I have absolutely no problem with anyone voicing their opinion and trust you feel the same.
I like the way that being religious and expecting even the kind of modesty that you could expect in just about any public place in my own country makes me a bad person. For the record I just addblocked the images and stopped browsing the site from work.
What I find most disappointing (because offended is too strong of a word) is the thought of "I'm going to have my bit of fun even though I know it will gravely offend some people" That I as a person am held in such low regard that it would not even worth making a small concession for the sake of harmony is a little sad. That is part of polite society, not doing things that are perfectly acceptable back home for the sake of your current company just as a sign of respect.
I do choose to visit this site, and there is nothing in it's contents that is inappropriate for any of my surroundings. If a contributor brings content to the site that then changes that it is not at all presumptuous to request a concession from them. Not a venom spewing demand filled rant, just a polite request. If that request is denied then they are asking me to bend to their will. Someone has to bend, it's only a matter of who and how much.
So a small group of people can turn off the avatars of all 1,068 members and/or change their viewing habits on the site as a whole, or one person can pick another avatar of their choosing from a very slightly reduced set of options. I don't see how that is an entirely unreasonable request.
I really like my avatar, but if someone complained to me that it was a great annoyance to them because it was flashing and animated I would just change it. Because an avatar is no big deal, and I see no point in valuing it any more than that.
This might work. BDC
Extent,
How can you possibly accommodate to the morals and beliefs of all 1000 plus forum members if we were making small concessions for every persons feelings this forum would come to a grinding holt. Do you not think the diversity of members makes for a more interesting forum..
Iain
NZ
It's called a society, which includes working with a common subset of morals and beliefs.
Perhaps this is a good time to decide what boundaries we want as Riders of Vision. We Americans live in a richly diversified country culturally speaking. It seems to me that those on the edges of what is acceptable to the majority are the ones bringing about decreased freedoms for everyone whether it be at a national level or at a Vision motorcycle site. Diversity is fine when it doesn't disrupt the agreed on rules of a group, I personally don't like moving avatars and I feel that avatars that distract with sexual content are even worse. That said, I like naked girls better than anyone here but I don't think we should use avatars to make statements as to our sexual preferences that might easily offend half the human race. I would like women to feel as welcome here as anyone else. Maybe a poll might help. JMO BDC
I'd think the boundaries would be determined by the owner/admin - otherwise we'd be forever trying to come to a consensus. We may as well have a poll on who makes the best engine oil. :D And since the admin is clearly not responsible for removing the avatar I can only assume (yes, assume) it was but a minor computer glitch. Iain, I respect your choice and I know the other members do too. Please feel free to reload your avatar.
8)
I thought the question at hand was "work safe" avatars? If it's just a matter of turning off the avatars while at work (at lunch or breaks of course) and later unchecking the box, I don't think that's asking too much. If it's a matter of some members being "gravely" offended by some avatars, that certainly deserves a closer look. Maybe the poll should ask who is gravely offended just to get a handle on how deep this impacts the group? Iain, disregard my previous comment 'til we get this ironed out. Thanks pal. :D
I guess i lost track, Bobby, what was your avitar? wasn't it your Vision? because on my pc it's gone... if it was your bike why is it gone? i think i missed something...
You didn't miss anything, I've never had an avatar. BDC
Quote from: Rikugun on January 24, 2012, 06:42:34 PM
If it's just a matter of turning off the avatars while at work (at lunch or breaks of course) and later unchecking the box, I don't think that's asking too much.
And I don't think it's asking too much to use work-safe avatars.
Brian
Why do we need light weight pornography on a forum dedicated to the best motorcycle that Yamaha ever built?
There are websites where one can look at pornography, dedicated to that subject. Why bring it here to a site dedicated to motorcycles? I am not a prude but some things are generally socially acceptable and others less so. I have noticed the few ladies that were here are not here any more, the avatars in question may have had something to do with that. Maybe, who knows.
Quote from: iain on January 24, 2012, 03:12:37 PM
How can you possibly accommodate to the morals and beliefs of all 1000 plus forum members if we were making small concessions for every persons feelings this forum would come to a grinding holt. Do you not think the diversity of members makes for a more interesting forum..
I don't know, I do it myself every day in both my professional and personal life. Most of my friends and colleagues have different religious beliefs than I do, and almost all of them have different political beliefs. I work for a Japanese company doing business in San Francisco as my day job. In my animation team there are people living in Texas, New York, Florida, South Carolina, London, Taipei, Montréal, Toronto, and India. I am still in contact with people I've worked with in the past that live in Poland, Columbia, Australia, Turkey, Sweden, the Dominican Republic, and Singapore, as well as just about any other state in the US you can think of. Which isn't even to mention all the other people that I don't even know at all the other online communities that I am a part of. I certainly don't feel that my life is any less colorful because I accommodate with things that are little things for me but a big deal for someone else. On the contrary I find it very interesting to have put forward even the simplest consideration for another person with different beliefs rather than just being myself completely uninhibited and expecting every one else in the world to just deal with it. I'm sure there are plenty of things about me that tick people off that I do unintentionally, I see no reason to do things intentionally that will even just annoy people on top of that.
This forum has been around for years working under exactly that same principal. This is one of the most accepting and tolerant online communities I have ever known for sure. We don't all think the same things (see: YICS :p ) but the results of that are quite plain to see, there is no grinding or halting involved.
I'm not saying that you have to not like naked ladies. I'm not even saying that you have to not express yourself as an individual on this forum. But there are ways that you can do that that
do accommodate other people. If it is really really important to you (not just acceptable) start a sexy lady thread in the general board. I most certainly would prefer it if you didn't, but that would be a reasonably minded compromise in my mind. In the end as long as the admin does not disapprove, those that wish to have no part of it can just not visit, and are not required to jump through technical hurdles or mass disable functionality that they would otherwise use. And if it's not important to you then just don't bother. I see no downsides, and unless you are such a one dimensional person that literally the only two aspects of your personality are visions and naked ladies, then you will still be meaningfully contributing to the diversity of the group with all the other things about you. There are lots of things I do and things I'm interested in that I don't talk about on this forum, mostly because I think their too boring, but plenty because I feel they're just not relevant. I don't feel the tiniest bit of loss because of that, or any less a part of the community.
I do want to make clear that I'm not trying to single anyone out here (as I mentioned before, as far as I was concerned I dealt with my issue weeks ago and had forgotten it) It's merely an extremely convenient example for the discussion.
Given the response to the 2 avatars in question it seems disingenuous to suggest a "sexy lady thread". ??? But good luck with it..... :)
No disrespect to the aggrieved but I never really had a strong feeling either way as to the demise of the avatars. I did however find this an interesting experiment in the tolerance (or lack thereof) of people. I kinda' hoped more would have participated to increase the data points as it were. Even so, the results seemed to fall in the range of expected human behavior. :) Save one response perhaps :(
Disappointing to some degree is how they were removed. I have to assume, until corrected, that it was the admin and yet the aggrieved were not even sent a courtesy email as to the action and reason. I'd have to imagine the moderators(s) are/were privy to that action too? Lucky, as a moderator of the forum maybe you could address this?
I am not a moderator, never have been. there are no mods here, & I still believe we don't really need one. Just Ron who is the sole owner & admin. I suppose I would if asked. seems a dispute once every 5 years would be a pretty cushy gig :)
And this is rather tame as far as Forum disputes go. There must have been an issue back in 06 before I joined the forums, because this is the first time I've ever seen anything that could be viewed as anything be a discussion.
And to add to the thread, (and the statistics that Rikugun mentionned,) I think Extent has expressed my view on the issue better than I ever could. There is a time and a place for everything. Bikes and bare chests seem to get along well in Daytona, but out of respect for the female members here, I think we should keep this forum "clean." If I want to see naked women, there are plenty of other places to find that, and if I'm going to see a bared chest, it's much nicer when I can play a little :angel: ;)
EDIT:: My grammar is terrible right now.
QuoteI am not a moderator, never have been
guess I misread your comments on the triple forum
i think so, I said "check out www.ridersofvision.net (forum) and my resource site in my profile."
In my view there is nothing that goes together quite as well as bikes and boobs. Perhaps that comes from growing up in a country with almost no nudity laws, almost no censorship, legalised prostitution and homosexuality, yet you will go to jail if you smack your kids, America as far as I can gather is almost the exact opposite, where invading foreign countries and murdering the natives is supported by cheering and flag waving, where people wander round with handguns in their pockets, yet $20 for a kiss and a cuddle and you are off to prison. No-one was ever hurt by looking at a nice pair of buttocks or breasts. Ever.
As for work-safe avatars, there is little more offensive to me than employees stealing from their employers by reading RoV when they should be working. Is employee theft not part of this so called morality or decency that makes some of you gasp in horror when you see a perfectly formed chest.
I suspect that those who complain are merely embarrassed that they get a stiffy looking at Iain's avatar, but sadly not when they look at their wives.
If your eyes offend you, then pluck them out!
Pluck out me eye? Holy Snikeys!! You don't suppose the all-knowing/kind/loving/forgiving Good Shepard meant that literally do you!? What would he have you do in the event of an inappropriate stiffy? :o
All kidding aside, well played sir. Just be thankfull NZ doesn't have anything we want to own, control, or exploit......or DO you? (insert ominous music here)
Quoteguess I misread your comments on the triple forum
I didn't misread it, I was giving you an out. Go to the thread "Yamaha Vision not a triple but still looks cool" on 12/25/11 and refresh your memory. :)
roro, what is a "religious twat"?
Quote from: roro on January 26, 2012, 03:19:29 AM
As for work-safe avatars, there is little more offensive to me than employees stealing from their employers by reading RoV when they should be working. Is employee theft not part of this so called morality or decency that makes some of you gasp in horror when you see a perfectly formed chest.
It's not theft if I do it on my time (i.e. breaks and lunches). That's part of my agreement with my workplace (since I sit a computer pretty much all day programming).
Brian
Quote from: roro on January 26, 2012, 03:19:29 AMAs for work-safe avatars, there is little more offensive to me than employees stealing from their employers by reading RoV when they should be working. Is employee theft not part of this so called morality or decency that makes some of you gasp in horror when you see a perfectly formed chest.
I am an employee not a slave. I conduct myself with the utmost professionalism, I always meet my deadlines and go above and beyond to ensure that my work is impeccable. How I manage and spend my break time is entirely between me and my employer.
On the subject of avatars, I tried to add one to my profile and all I got was a box with a red X in it. Could someone tell me what I did wrong? I think it might be that the file is too large but I don't know how to go about reducing the size.
Thanks
That could be it although I don't know what the size limitation is. I use an ancient version of Photo Studio that will resize but I think most photo editors will do the same. I think even "Paint" (on windows based computers) will work.
Are you uploading from your PC or using a linked pic from Photobucket or the like? When I upload to Photobucket, pictures are automatically reduced in size somewhat.
Mine is linked from Photobucket and is 640x480 and 73 kb if that helps.
Quote from: Rikugun on January 26, 2012, 12:38:05 PM
Mine is linked from Photobucket and is 640x480 and 73 kb if that helps.
I link mine from flickr. Going with an outside link seems to be the best bet, and the most secure for the admin. (Yes, I have seen sites that have had phishing pages put into the uploaded image directories. That was back when I was doing computer and network security.)
Brian
i did, that's why it's in quotes.. ;)
Quote from: Rikugun on January 26, 2012, 09:25:03 AM
Quoteguess I misread your comments on the triple forum
I didn't misread it, I was giving you an out. Go to the thread "Yamaha Vision not a triple but still looks cool" on 12/25/11 and refresh your memory. :)
Quote from: Brian Moffet on January 26, 2012, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: Rikugun on January 26, 2012, 12:38:05 PM
Mine is linked from Photobucket and is 640x480 and 73 kb if that helps.
I link mine from flickr. Going with an outside link seems to be the best bet, and the most secure for the admin. (Yes, I have seen sites that have had phishing pages put into the uploaded image directories. That was back when I was doing computer and network security.)
Brian
Mine are in Picasa. I went to the picture, left clicked on it, clicked on "properties," then copied the address listed. Then I went to ROV profiles, clicked on "Have my own picture" and pasted the address in, then clicked "save" or "change profile." Then, when I look at the address box, the address has disappeared.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-eRvE7lDmV9I/TyHCSE6PzAI/AAAAAAAAGDk/XH3H40uIbpc/s128/IMG_2494.JPG
As you can see from the link, the picture comes up if you click on it. For some reason it's deleted every time I try to paste it in the box.
Quotei did, that's why it's in quotes..
Are you certain you don't want to rethink this? I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation that doesn't include trying to throw me under the bus, right buddy?
the reasonalble explanation is that i didn't read down further! lol
yup, I guess I BS'ed a little.. ;D ;D ;D 8) 8)
I hereby retract that and as penatence I will insult a Harley....
:D :D
Quote from: artbone on January 26, 2012, 04:27:51 PM
Mine are in Picasa. I went to the picture, left clicked on it, clicked on "properties," then copied the address listed. Then I went to ROV profiles, clicked on "Have my own picture" and pasted the address in, then clicked "save" or "change profile." Then, when I look at the address box, the address has disappeared.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-eRvE7lDmV9I/TyHCSE6PzAI/AAAAAAAAGDk/XH3H40uIbpc/s128/IMG_2494.JPG
Either the link is too long for the database, or something along those lines is what I am thinking.
Brian
Get rid of the s in "https://" and it will work fine
Quoteyup, I guess I BS'ed a little..
Apology accepted although I'm not sure how slamming another bike brand qualifies as "penatence". :-\
it doesn't, but it makes me feel better, lol
Quote from: Extent on January 27, 2012, 04:48:03 AM
Get rid of the s in "https://" and it will work fine
You're right. It worked like a charm.
Thanks
Who removed the avatars?
1. A computer glitch should have been a temporary thing and they would have been reloaded by now.
2. Can't be the moderator because we don't have any.
3. Some religious twat had itthem removed and he may be keeping them off because he's, well, a religious twat.
4. Some unknown factor I'm not aware of.
5. Regardless of how they were removed, only admin or the two owners could be keeping them off.
Roro, Iain, I would like to know if you can re-post your avatars? If not then I would think you guys have rethought your avatars or there is a new policy here that's not been spelled out for us. An inquiring mind wants to know. Don't take this as a threat but if we have to send troops to your island to find those missing girls, you may never see them again. BDC
Re-vision
If I put my Avatar back up now I would surely burn in hell
Iain
NZ
Quote from: iain on January 28, 2012, 12:07:38 AM
If I put my Avatar back up now I would surely burn in hell
I doubt it, as far as I can tell, some people (including me) would be annoyed, but I don't have any reason to believe anyone would want to cause you harm.
Quote from: Lucky on January 25, 2012, 08:03:35 PM
I am not a moderator, never have been. there are no mods here, & I still believe we don't really need one. Just Ron who is the sole owner & admin.
Since this is somewhat related I guess I'll throw in a plug for Ron who pays for the hosting site and keeps it running when it's targeted. It's always worthwhile to kick Ron a few dollars with the donate button once and while for his expense and hassle.
Cheers
Slamming HD is OK with me !! I do it all the time ! I'm ashamed that an American company can't (won't ) produce something more modern. I kind of liked the Street Rod , but of course they stopped making that version.
I used to feel that way until I got to know some HD riders and the bikes. As a motorcycle enthusiast I'm now embarrassed I was so quick to bash them both. :-[
Go visit a showroom and you may be surprised at the features and quality of these bikes. HD listens to their customers and in return are rewarded with fierce brand loyalty. The bikes demand a premium price as do the many endorsed accessories and the owners pay it. The bikes may not be everyone's cup of tea style-wise but the big four continue to emulate it in an attempt to share that demographic.
I know this is way off topic but hey, I didn't bring up HD... ;D I was made aware of this story http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/bmws-liquidcooled-boxer-spotted-wild/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/bmws-liquidcooled-boxer-spotted-wild/) which implies ever stronger EPA regs and a desire for increased HP have caused BMW to experiment with LC engines for their GS line. I wonder if the die hard BMW AT crowd will abandon their favorite bike? Eventually HD will face the same pressures and it will be interesting to see if they can reinvent themselves. ???
I have read of spy reports and seen associated pictures of liquid cooled boxer engines, very far along in development. Will probably see the market within the next 24 months.
Iain, your lovely jubblies are back!!
She has come home to daddy.....
Iain
NZ
I just noticed that her hair moves, now I have to turn off avatars so my wife wont think I'm on a porno site, BDC
I take a much harder stance with HD. When they bought the company back , they were very short of capital. They abandoned the V4 they had developed and went with the EVO. The only standard they build is a 58 year old design. Ya , they have improved it, but its still an antique with a two valve push rod engine. . The real problem is the people who buy the things. They have bought into the "Harley Mistique" BS and so the company had had no choice but to build the same crap! Over and over again.
So many HD riders with 1200 Sportsters are so confused and put out , when my 550 eats them alive. I have gone to many Harley ride days and tried different models out , but they have nothing I would pay that much for. The Vrod is too much cruiser for me.
Iain, she has marvelous suspension! Probably a smooooth ride !
Re-Vision
I think you should explain to your wife that this is in fact art. A bit like Michelangelo's David statue, or famous paintings by Picasso and Renoir which made nudity a true art form. You should also reassure her that by looking at my avatar you are supporting the art and culture of New Zealand
Iain
NZ
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Admin, How about a list of all admin (Staff) personnel and owners with a little background info on all of them. Who's not playing nice? Is the previous post directed to Iain's sexually oriented avatar or just everyone in general?
Quote from: admin on July 26, 2012, 06:16:53 PMChildren: play nice.
BDC
Re-vision
I am just having a bit of fun, as I know you can handle my sick sense of humor, sorry if I have upset you...... don't my intention
Iain
Quote from: admin on July 26, 2012, 06:16:53 PM
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I don't see that Iain's Avatar breaches these rules. I'm fairly certain those are not false, but indeed the real thing as God intended to be seen and appreciated in all their bouncing glory.
Iain - be warned - silicon breasts are against the rules and WILL NOT BE TOLERATED by the group
I haven't been upset by anyone Iain, we (ROV) are obviously in a state of change and I don't know anything about the folks who make and/or enforce the rules, didn't know we had any guidelines until today. I would like to have a better understanding of what's going on and where we are headed. Is your avatar okay but not Roro's? Has one of our TN members quit posting of his own accord or otherwise? What are our short term as well as long term goals. I hate being in the dark. BDC
Re-Vision,
As far as I know, Ron is the only admin/moderator as well as private owner of the site.
David