A little (brief) history.
Bought the V in Nov 2005, as a project. First street bike in 10+ years (had an 81 RD350LC then an 81 Seca 750), and it seemed like a good choice (plus the support group looked good). It was not running (starter problem previous owner told me). I rebuilt the starter, rebuilt the carbs (is there an easier way to take the carbs out, other than dropping the engine?). And on July 7, 2006 it was alive for the first time. Managed to get it started once while my wife was home. Then it would make a clanking sound when trying to turn-over.
Things got busy at work (promotion, way too much to do, etc), my wife saw someone in the neighborhood had an 82 CB900F that was running, and thought that would get me on two wheels faster, so bought it (in Oct 2006, with the understanding I would be down to one bike by Feb 2007). After rebuilding the carbs, replacing tires, and the chain, I have been back on 2 wheels for about a month now (getting my ridy-senses back). But the CB is just so big! Want to get the V back in operation, to make an "informed" decision.
Dug it out a little to work on it, pulled the starter clutch (followed Lucky's instructions, and yes throw away the Sears bolts and get some M8x1.25x90 or 100s, and use some big washers), and I think I see the problem now. Looks like the starter clutch cracked, and that is why I could not get it to turn-over properly (not enough pressure from the rollers).
Now, I know I need new bolts, but where to get the clutch housing? I believe it is part number 11H-15580-00-00.
And should I replace some electrical while I am in there (not run long enough to know if there is an electrical problem)?
Is that a crack I see? I can't offer any advice as far as the start clutch but it sounds like you have referred to the right place for info and have a head start thanks to Lucky's site.
You dropped the engine to get the carbs out? wow now that some tenacity. Many here remove them still intact from the top but I like the separate them from the fuel pump and brackets so that they can be removed individually. Essentially you just have to sort of twist them out so they will clear the fuel lines and frame. Once everything is loosened up....lines, sync rod, throttle cable, choke rod, and fuel pump and intake manifold clamps, they sort of just rotate out easily.
Yes in the second picture (from the inside) that is a clearly visible crack, which would change the circumference, and not help in getting it started! I suspect the thin metal around that piece is to prevent it from flying to pieces after a such a failure.
I'm stilled miffed about the take the engine out to remove the carbs bit. Did you really do this? You don't have to, they come out easy enough if you take the fuel pump off.
RE: dropping engine to get at the carbs.
I did not find an easier way in the Yamaha manual, so I just dropped the engine. It was January or February 2006, in Houston, which meant I was outside in the driveway in my shorts. I think it is just part of the price to pay to be in the Vision club! And it gave me a good excuse to buy a motorcycle jack when I put it back together in June 2006. 3+ hours to drop, 2+ hours to put it back in.
Quote from: zore on June 08, 2007, 01:04:10 PM
I'm stilled miffed about the take the engine out to remove the carbs bit. Did you really do this? You don't have to, they come out easy enough if you take the fuel pump off.
they also come out w/o taking the fuel pump off
They go in & out easily - but it's kind of like solving a puzzle. I've done it often enough that I don't even think about it anymore - loosen, lift, twist while holding wire harness out of the way & poof - they're out.
The starter clutch was recently available from Yamaha Part #11H-15580-00-00 Just checked Speed & Sport - show none available.
Bike Bandit has one - $104.04 + shipping. Link takes you to an 83 XZ550RK, but it should fit the 82 with no problem.
http://houseofmotorcycles.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/oem_schematic_view~schem_dept_id~632928~section_dept_id~1~section_dept_name~OEM+%28Stock%29+Parts~dept_type_id~2~model_dept_year~1983~model_dept_mfr~Yamaha~model_dept_id~632044~model_dept_name~VISION+-+XZ550RK.asp (http://houseofmotorcycles.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/oem_schematic_view~schem_dept_id~632928~section_dept_id~1~section_dept_name~OEM+%28Stock%29+Parts~dept_type_id~2~model_dept_year~1983~model_dept_mfr~Yamaha~model_dept_id~632044~model_dept_name~VISION+-+XZ550RK.asp)
Parts Fish (PowersportsPro) has one for $99.87.
http://www.powersportspro.com/partsfish/displayfiche.asp (http://www.powersportspro.com/partsfish/displayfiche.asp)
Always an option if nobody here has a good used one.
H2O
bear in mind if you seperate the carbs to get them out you MUST resynq them.
takes me about 15-20 min to get a set of carbs out whole.
tips:
pull the harness/hoses up & out of the way on both sides
you only have to wiggle it past the carb boots to get it out the left side. get it sideways 7 lift the rear carb up.
--Lucky
I've yet to remove my carbs from the bike and not have to open them up so for me separation is a mandatory task and so is the resynch
By the way, I will sell my used starter clutch for much less than $99... ;D
(And not, it's not cracked! ;) )
Lou
RE: Carb removal
( i know this isnt what you were asking but)
I just loosen the carb to intake straps real well, pull the carbs up and rotate them a bit clockwise (viewing from back) then pull them down and out to the left, front carb first. Make sure the wiring harness is well out of the way.
Quote from: louthepou on June 08, 2007, 06:17:31 PM
By the way, I will sell my used starter clutch for much less than $99... ;D
(And not, it's not cracked! ;) )
Lou - sent you a personal message back.
All - I appreciate the advice on the carbs. There seems to a consensus, that dropping the engine is not the easiest way :)
Quote from: Evan on June 09, 2007, 08:50:35 AM
All - I appreciate the advice on the carbs. There seems to a consensus, that dropping the engine is not the easiest way :)
But it's the COOLEST way... :D
Quote from: Evan on June 09, 2007, 08:50:35 AM
All - I appreciate the advice on the carbs. There seems to a consensus, that dropping the engine is not the easiest way :)
no, but I like your style....
If it ain't worth doing it the hard way.......
plus, you're way ahead of the game, if you like droppin the motor, when you go to replace valve shims :D
Today's update
Got home from work, and there in the mail was the package from Lou (yes!) -- knew what I would be working on tonight! As you can see from the picture, this is what a starter clutch (QBS tells me sprag clutch) should look like. Had the new bolts (M8x16), cleaned everything up. Red locktight, etc. Do my best a peening (with a cold chisel).
It is a little difficult to get metallic shavings off a magnetic surface, but did the best I could.
Put it back together (did not put the new gasket in, since I was in a hurry, will do it tomorrow after I change the oil). Drained the carbs, hooked-up the battery, first try, second try, third try, she starts. Just idling around 1500, and dies when revVing. Give it a bit of a chance. After a minute or so, get it to start and rev-up. A little darkness from the pipes, but no blue.
Got it revVing-up (idle is a _little_ off at 3500rpm), boy does this bike sound good. Engine warms-up, radiator fan kicks in, check the voltage 13.5-13.9 at the battery (yes!). Looking good.
Phone my wife (on vacation), so she can hear it run. She is calling the motorcycles (and especially the V) my mistress, which may be the reason that the first and second time I really got it running, she was on vacation (jealous mistress)!
And I wanted to get that 83 from Dallas, and now (logically) she tells me that I don't need it, since this one runs!
Ran well for about 20 minutes before I shut it down.
I POR'd the tank last year, so just need to put the tank back together, sync the carbs, set the idle, etc. I may be able to actually take it for a little spin down to the end of the street (especially since it has front brakes now).
:) Superb...another resurrection... 8) The Vision really, really needs to be rode on a regular basis to help you "De-bug" her... ;) It wont be long before you can wave "good-bye" to the Honda and just maybe still buy the other Vision... 8)
Don't worry about "Logic"... ;D ;D :D :D :D :D... ;)
8) Congrats, now go and ENJOY... 8)
8).......TIGER....... 8)
Good job. Hope you get everything dialed in soon so you can enjoy the riding season.
Quote from: dj on June 19, 2007, 07:03:50 AM
Good job. Hope you get everything dialed in soon so you can enjoy the riding season.
dj, I guess you are not familiar with Houston weather. Some describe it as two seasons: Summer and August. August usually starts in June and lasts somewhere into September (until a Canadian Cold front [why are there no Mexican Warm fronts?] comes through and drops the humidity out of the air). Houston does have winter, and I think this past year it was on either Tuesday or Wednesday.
Needless to say, we are currently mostly in August, and it is the more miserable time to ride (where do I plug-in my A/C suit & helmet?). August's daily forecast is typically lows in the mid to upper 70's, highs in the mid to upper 90's, similar amount of humidity, with a 30% chance of thunder + showers.
I hope to have much of it working, before needing to go on vacation. Plus I will need to order some new tires....
dj, I know you have one of the _best_ V's in the world, since it seems to have the most demons! You are an example to all the newbies.
Quote from: Evan on June 19, 2007, 07:25:47 AM
Quote from: dj on June 19, 2007, 07:03:50 AM
Good job. Hope you get everything dialed in soon so you can enjoy the riding season.
dj, I guess you are not familiar with Houston weather. Some describe it as two seasons: Summer and August. August usually starts in June and lasts somewhere into September (until a Canadian Cold front [why are there no Mexican Warm fronts?] comes through and drops the humidity out of the air). Houston does have winter, and I think this past year it was on either Tuesday or Wednesday.
Needless to say, we are currently mostly in August, and it is the more miserable time to ride (where do I plug-in my A/C suit & helmet?). August's daily forecast is typically lows in the mid to upper 70's, highs in the mid to upper 90's, similar amount of humidity, with a 30% chance of thunder + showers.
I hope to have much of it working, before needing to go on vacation. Plus I will need to order some new tires....
dj, I know you have one of the _best_ V's in the world, since it seems to have the most demons! You are an example to all the newbies.
Didn't realize you were down in the state (should be 4 states, it's big enough to be) of Texas.
I've been down to Texas before (San Antonio area) for Air Force Basic Training (Lackland - and yes it is a sh!t hole), but it was during late February through May. Was actually really nice considering the day I left it was -40 with the windchill factor on the tarmac at the airport. It was a nice baumy 55 when I got into the airport. The only problem with doing it that time of the year was that it put me in Biloxi MS during the entire summer (pure misery).
I guess I can be a good example for all the newbies on how to keep your head down and just keep charging ahead. I don't know if it is pure stubborness or lack of common sense for why I am still working on her. I loved riding her the 2-3 times I had her on the road, and just when I think I have gotten the gremlins out of the bike they show up in a different place.
I think my gremlins are resistant to "Gremlin-be-gone" spray. I spray the bike down with it and I hear lots of laughing! >:(
Quote from: dj on June 19, 2007, 07:35:29 AM
Quote from: Evan on June 19, 2007, 07:25:47 AM
dj, I know you have one of the _best_ V's in the world, since it seems to have the most demons! You are an example to all the newbies.
I guess I can be a good example for all the newbies on how to keep your head down and just keep charging ahead. I don't know if it is pure stubbornness or lack of common sense for why I am still working on her. I loved riding her the 2-3 times I had her on the road, and just when I think I have gotten the gremlins out of the bike they show up in a different place.
I think my gremlins are resistant to "Gremlin-be-gone" spray. I spray the bike down with it and I hear lots of laughing! >:(
We have a family trait called "too-stupid-to-quit", which helps when dealing with things like this! At work (real-time software), we tend to sacrifice chickens to demons or gremlins -- most of the time it is the KFC variety. Not sure if that helps, but I am sure they don't like the rubber variety. I learned this week that WD stands for "Water Displacement" not "Wooshaway Demons"...... ;)
Quote from: Evan on June 19, 2007, 07:53:02 AM
Quote from: dj on June 19, 2007, 07:35:29 AM
Quote from: Evan on June 19, 2007, 07:25:47 AM
dj, I know you have one of the _best_ V's in the world, since it seems to have the most demons! You are an example to all the newbies.
I guess I can be a good example for all the newbies on how to keep your head down and just keep charging ahead. I don't know if it is pure stubbornness or lack of common sense for why I am still working on her. I loved riding her the 2-3 times I had her on the road, and just when I think I have gotten the gremlins out of the bike they show up in a different place.
I think my gremlins are resistant to "Gremlin-be-gone" spray. I spray the bike down with it and I hear lots of laughing! >:(
We have a family trait called "too-stupid-to-quit", which helps when dealing with things like this! At work (real-time software), we tend to sacrifice chickens to demons or gremlins -- most of the time it is the KFC variety. Not sure if that helps, but I am sure they don't like the rubber variety. I learned this week that WD stands for "Water Displacement" not "Wooshaway Demons"...... ;)
I'll have to let my wife know that from now on when I am working on the bike we need to stop off at KFC first to appeas the gremlins/demons that are living in my bike. So far all I've tried is a full frontal attack on them and they keep knocking me back every time. Maybe so KFC will help to tied them over so I can actually make some progress on the bike.
Quote from: dj on June 19, 2007, 08:04:05 AM
Quote from: Evan on June 19, 2007, 07:53:02 AM
We have a family trait called "too-stupid-to-quit", which helps when dealing with things like this! At work (real-time software), we tend to sacrifice chickens to demons or gremlins -- most of the time it is the KFC variety. Not sure if that helps, but I am sure they don't like the rubber variety. I learned this week that WD stands for "Water Displacement" not "Wooshaway Demons"...... ;)
I'll have to let my wife know that from now on when I am working on the bike we need to stop off at KFC first to appease the gremlins/demons that are living in my bike. So far all I've tried is a full frontal attack on them and they keep knocking me back every time. Maybe so KFC will help to tied them over so I can actually make some progress on the bike.
Or it could be you have a jealous V, that will only cooperate when you wife it away......
The real test for this "mistress" is when my wife gets back from vacation.....
Quote from: Evan on June 19, 2007, 08:23:18 AM
Quote from: dj on June 19, 2007, 08:04:05 AM
Quote from: Evan on June 19, 2007, 07:53:02 AM
We have a family trait called "too-stupid-to-quit", which helps when dealing with things like this! At work (real-time software), we tend to sacrifice chickens to demons or gremlins -- most of the time it is the KFC variety. Not sure if that helps, but I am sure they don't like the rubber variety. I learned this week that WD stands for "Water Displacement" not "Wooshaway Demons"...... ;)
I'll have to let my wife know that from now on when I am working on the bike we need to stop off at KFC first to appease the gremlins/demons that are living in my bike. So far all I've tried is a full frontal attack on them and they keep knocking me back every time. Maybe so KFC will help to tied them over so I can actually make some progress on the bike.
Or it could be you have a jealous V, that will only cooperate when you wife it away......
The real test for this "mistress" is when my wife gets back from vacation.....
My wife doens't go away though. Oh man am I screwed! ;)
Way to go Evan, glad I could help!
Another one saved from the scrap yard... good work.
Lou
Good to have another 'motivated' member Evan. And Night Vision was way ahead of me on the valve shim suggestion. That would be much easier to do with the engine out, and since you probably haven't synched the carbs yet. Now would be the perfect time to do it as you will probably have to re-synch after valve adjustment.
Yes! Doing the rear cylinder shim swap is really really more pleasant with the engine on a work bench!
Lou
Shims -- not now, it's almost back together! :o
I got a little lazy, and selfish, and wanted to actually take this bike that I have been working on for 20 months and ride it. So, I put enough pieces back together (back brakes off, YICS off, then tried YICS on, Yamaha tank off, etc), and it has go power and stop power.
Now although the pictured tank does not have much capacity, it does not rust, and only cost $9 at AutoZone.
Just up and down my dead-end street/cul-de-sac for 15-20 minutes. Boy this bike is fun -- even without syncing/tuning the carbs!
nice job... looks pretty close to being done.. just so you know, most of us are running much smaller motorcycle type inline fuel filters ;)